New Mass Translations-Modified Nicene Creed

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I am starting this thread so that another thread does not get hijacked. My parish just introduced the modified Nicene Creed that has been approved by the USCCB, but not yet approved by the Vatican. I guess they are trying to implement these changes early on to avoid mass confusion.

Should my parish be doing this?
 
pprimeau1976 said:
I am starting this thread so that another thread does not get hijacked. My parish just introduced the modified Nicene Creed that has been approved by the USCCB, but not yet approved by the Vatican. I guess they are trying to implement these changes early on to avoid mass confusion.

Should my parish be doing this?
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NO. All changes must be approved by the Vatican. Why is obedience so difficult for some?
 
pprimeau1976 said:
I am starting this thread so that another thread does not get hijacked. My parish just introduced the modified Nicene Creed that has been approved by the USCCB, but not yet approved by the Vatican. I guess they are trying to implement these changes early on to avoid mass confusion.

Should my parish be doing this?
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I am not aware of any document from the USCCB (an Instruction of some sort) permitting its use. It should not be used until it is expressly permitted. The copy at Adoremus (to which you linked) says this at the top: “Following is the ICEL text as submitted, with indications of changes that were confirmed by voice vote of the bishops before they voted on the text as amended. (All new texts must be approved by the Holy See before they can be used at Mass.)”
 
I must concur with everyone else. We can’t be using texts that do not have the approval of the Holy See.

Oddly enough, last year, someone on ebay was selling a bootleg translation of the Nicene Creed which seems to virtually mirror the Latin version. The only contention that ICEL is haggling with (as well as some members of the USCCB) is the word consubstantial. From what I could read of the bootleg copy, the confiteor appears to be going back to its traditional form where it includes intercessions to Blessed John the Baptist, Blesseds Peter and Paul and Blessed Michael, the Archangel.

They are also, I believe, restoring the phrase, “it is right and just to give Him thanks.”

Let’s hope that there is some validity to the bootleg document. Nonetheless, until the USCCB receives approval from Rome, we’re pretty much bound to use the prayers as they are written now.
 
pprimeau1976 said:
I am starting this thread so that another thread does not get hijacked. My parish just introduced the modified Nicene Creed that has been approved by the USCCB, but not yet approved by the Vatican. I guess they are trying to implement these changes early on to avoid mass confusion.

Should my parish be doing this?
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No, they should not be making any unapproved changes. The only authority to make changes in the Mass liturgy is the Holy see. PERIOD!
 
So upon approval from the Vatican, can parishes immediately start using the new version, or do they need to follow an implementation schedule by the USCCB?
 
Digitonomy said:
So upon approval from the Vatican, can parishes immediately start using the new version, or do they need to follow an implementation schedule by the USCCB?
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Generally that would be up to your local Bishop, once the approval of Rome is received.
 
:eek: I came back to the Church two-and-a-half years ago. The modified Nicene Creed is the only one I know. 😊 That’s all we pray at my church - straight out of the Gather hymnal. What should I do?
 
How can they ignore Homines? Only in America, where militant feminism has such a strong influence on our hierarchy. Why can’t those activists just go back to worshipping Diana or Gaia and leave us alone?
 
<<How can they ignore Homines?>>

The Greek word used is ANTHROPOS, which means generic human being.
 
Ugh, I have not seen anyone comment on this:

“Qui propter nos hómines…”. *The word ‘man’ (homines) has been deleted from the ICEL translation submitted to the bishops. *Bishops David Foley (Birmingham), Fabian Bruskewitz (Lincoln), Joseph Martino (Newark) wanted to retain ‘men’; however their amendments were rejected by the BCL before the meeting. The rationale for rejecting these amendments: ‘The Committee declines to accept the amendment, suggesting that the avoidance of men as a universal non-gendered inclusive, when possible, is a reasonable principle *when translating into English as spoken in the United States *(cf. NAB translation used in the Lectionary for Mass).’"
 
Matas said:
:eek: I came back to the Church two-and-a-half years ago. The modified Nicene Creed is the only one I know. 😊 That’s all we pray at my church - straight out of the Gather hymnal. What should I do?
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Um… that’s the only translation I have ever known, and I have been Catholic for 23 years.
 
Nechasin said:
I’m 32 and I also don’t remember saying anything other than that one.
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People are talking about the new one that will be coming out, not the one we currently say.

There’s a new English translation of the Mass. When all the details are finished and it’s introduced, it will make changes throughout the Mass including changes in the Creed.
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
People are talking about the new one that will be coming out, not the one we currently say.

There’s a new English translation of the Mass. When all the details are finished and it’s introduced, it will make changes throughout the Mass including changes in the Creed.
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But the link in the OP was to the current Creed, not a new one.
 
There are different choices you could make. I don’t think this is a very serious abuse, though it is a liturgical abuse all the same to use a version not authorized by the Church. For my part, if there were a number of other liturigical abuses, I would join another parish. If not, I would get a St. Joseph’s missal and follow that. You could say the creed quietly. (In fact I already have this missal.) Or perhaps for example you could be quiet when they say the creed. I don’t like to follow someone’s invention during the mass when it is improper.
Matas said:
:eek: I came back to the Church two-and-a-half years ago. The modified Nicene Creed is the only one I know. 😊 That’s all we pray at my church - straight out of the Gather hymnal. What should I do?
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PatienceAndLove said:
But the link in the OP was to the current Creed, not a new one.
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Not exactly. The linked version starts out

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

The version my parish prays starts out

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen.

There are differences the rest of the way as well.
 
brittrossiter said:
Ugh, I have not seen anyone comment on this:

“Qui propter nos hómines…”. *The word ‘man’ (homines) has been deleted from the ICEL translation submitted to the bishops. *Bishops David Foley (Birmingham), Fabian Bruskewitz (Lincoln), Joseph Martino (Newark) wanted to retain ‘men’; however their amendments were rejected by the BCL before the meeting. The rationale for rejecting these amendments: ‘The Committee declines to accept the amendment, suggesting that the avoidance of men as a universal non-gendered inclusive, when possible, is a reasonable principle *when translating into English as spoken in the United States *(cf. NAB translation used in the Lectionary for Mass).’"
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A classic example of why a camel is really a horse that’s been designed by a committee.
 
Inasmuch as there is buzz about the new translations, I do not think that Vox Clara and ICEL are done with it. I did, however, see a bootleg translation on ebay several months ago and from what I could read, the translations seem very faithful to the Tridentine version (which I think they are trying to restore in order to conform the translations to Liturgicam Authemtican).

Incidentally, the biggest debeate USCBB is having concerns “consubstantial”. However, I think the Holy See is going to hold firm to the correct translation. Something else that I saw from the bootleg copy that caught my eye was the fact that the confiteor was returning to its original translation, which included Blessed Mary, ever virgin (as is the current case) and restoring Blessed John the Baptist, Blessed Michael the Archangel and Blesseds Peter and Paul. Sadly, the only time you get to hear this confiteor (in English) is if you watch Gone with the Wind, where the O’Haras (including Scarlet) are reciting their night prayers.

Let’s hope that we get a translation that is worthy of the dignity of the solemn mysteries we are celebrating.
 
🙂 I always liked “visible and invisible”. “Seen and unseen” could be on the back porch, could be in the restroom, could be down the block. “Visible and invisible” is much better, describes better.
 
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