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Makarios
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When will the new Mass translation be available and do you think most parishes will use it? Do they have to? What happens if my parish doesn’t?
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MarkThompson
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It is unknown when the translation will be available, but when it is it will become mandatory, probably on a timetable set by each conference of bishops. If your parish doesn’t start using it when it is made mandatory, it would be a liturgical abuse and you ought to discuss it with the pastor and, if necessary, contact the bishop for corrective action.
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twopekinguys
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I believe I heard it mentioned in our diocese, that the new changes will start in November, but I could be wrong.
Doesn’t Advent start the last Sunday in November this year? (11/28/10)
That would be the beginning of a new Liturgical year, so that seems like a good place to start.
Doesn’t Advent start the last Sunday in November this year? (11/28/10)
That would be the beginning of a new Liturgical year, so that seems like a good place to start.
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CDNowak
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The latest rumored date (here in the US) is 1st Sunday in advent 2011. Some other countries are rumored earlier in the year. I expect that the US bishop will announce the official start of catechesis in November at or after their meeting.
All parishes ought to be using on and after that date, the diocese will be the first responder in the case that a parish refuses to use it.
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MarkThompson
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It will definitely not be November of this year! Advent 2011, as CDNowak said, is the date that has most commonly been bandied about, but since the text hasn’t even been finalized yet it’s impossible to know if this will be practicable.
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corsair
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Priests, Choir Directors, Deacons, RCIA Directors, etc. will be schooled starting this fall in the Seattle Archdiocese, with implementation scheduled for 1st Sunday in Advent of 2011. So a little speculation leads me to believe that sometime after the first of this year, each parish should begin its process of learning the changes (one brick at a time).
You can follow things at the USCCB website. This is going to be a bit interesting. So far nobody in my local OF parish wants to talk about it.
You can follow things at the USCCB website. This is going to be a bit interesting. So far nobody in my local OF parish wants to talk about it.
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CDNowak
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We may see the beginning of formal instruction this advent, some diocese are formally underway already, others (like GR) have mentioned it, still others are silent, but as Mark stated we are waiting on the final draft (although I doubt it will be dependent on the bishops’ conferences, so should move quicker*).
*Sad, inn’t, when the Vatican moves fast by comparison
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Makarios
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Will this mass have any Latin in it and/or will it lead to any significant changes or reverts to old ways (i.e. the priest’s back facing the people, no more receiving communion on the hand, etc.)?
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WMM
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***Well, it’s not an option to keep using the old translation.
The change is mandated by Rome.
Our diocese is planning to begin using it the first Sunday in Advent 2011, to allow enough time for everyone to become familiar with the new translation (especially priests and deacons).***
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twopekinguys
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I’m not so sure about that. But hey, I’ve been wrong before.
I did find this site, which is part of usccb.org, they are doing seminars now regrading the new missal, and you will notice, the last seminar is before the first Sunday of Advent.
usccb.org/romanmissal/
Remember, we are in Church Liturgical year, 2010. This Advent will begin Church Liturgical year 2011.
nccbuscc.org/liturgy/current/2010cal.pdf
Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
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twopekinguys
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MarkThompson
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I should have mentioned this earlier (in response to the thread’s title, “New Mass”), but there is no new Mass. They are simply re-translating it from Latin to English. As you may or may not know, the official “master version” of the Mass of Paul VI (“Novus Ordo,” “Ordinary Form of the Mass”) is in Latin, and they translate from that to get the various vernacular versions for English, Spanish, Polish, Swahili, etc. The current English translation was done in the 70s and is pretty bad, so the Holy Father ordered it to be done afresh, which is what we will be getting. As a result, there will be no mandatory Latin in it, since we are by definition talking about an English translation, although a priest is free to use any or all of the Latin text of the Mass if he likes. There will also be no changes in the rubrics (which way the priest faces, etc.), since they are just re-translating the Mass, not writing a new Mass.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Really?
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MarkThompson
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Yes. The principle, actually, is not that different from what can be done in bilingual Masses (English/Spanish, that sort of thing). Please note that I’m talking about the Latin text of the Ordinary Form of the Mass; I’m not saying that he can stick in parts of the TLM if he wants. But if you watch the daily Mass on EWTN, you will see the celebrant do exactly what I’ve described! Often the entire Canon will be in Latin.Really?
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MarkThompson
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It would be Sunday, November 27, 2011. Please note that it is still speculative whether the new translation will be introduced on this date.
No! The Mass of Paul VI (“Novus Ordo”) is written in Latin. It is then translated into various vernacular languages. What will happen is that the English translation (and only the English translation) will be updated. Everything else remains the same; if you live in a non-English-speaking country (which is most of the world) you will not notice any difference. The Mass remains 100% in effect. The translation of it into English will be improved.
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WMM
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Advent 2011 begins on the First Sunday in Advent, November 27, 2011.
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CDNowak
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No printing house has the final text, it will take them a couple months from the time they have that text until they can publish… not going to happen this year.
11/27/2011, the fourth Sunday before Christmas.
The Novus Ordo is in it’s third edition, 1970, (?), and 2000/2001. The second edition never managed to have a usable translation, the new translation, occasioned by the third edition has been a decade in the works (you don’t want to know). There were, IIRC, a few minor changes to the rubrics (very minor) and some slight wording changes (which are incorporated in the new translation).
There are also other documents that came out that in some areas were not applied (sorry, Phemie) waiting for the translation. the chief among these are the new GIRM (2003?) and Redemptionis Sacramentum (regarding certain errors in the celebration of the Mass. There is also at least one indult that expired in the past few years (EMHC’s may not purify) that has yet to corrected in the American liturgical books as well.
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dcointin
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Will there be any change in the rubrics of how the mass is celebrated?
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ProVobis
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The Latin I see (perhaps you can spot more) is the “new” word “consubstantial” in the Creed. Latin: consubstantialem. con(with)+sub(under)+stantis(stand)
Also “spirit” as in “And with your spirit” Latin: Et cum spiritu tuo.
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