New Metropolitan for Ruthenians

[trophybearer]

James my brother! :extrahappy:

It is so great to see your name here.

Yes, in fact they do have pierogis! I just had some for lunch.

I am in Shandong Province, and they have been making pierogies here for thousands of years, everyone makes them in this province. Shandong (the ancient home of Confucius) is known for them all over China. I have a theory that the Mongols brought them to Europe with the cabbages.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Potstickers_RTE.jpg

My family (as I recall) always fried them, but here they are more often served just boiled and dipped in vinegar and soy sauce with perhaps crushed garlic or a clove of fresh garlic (as I enjoyed today ).

drool my family has always boiled them, caramelized onions in butter and drizzled it over them.

 

[Vico]

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Is there anything formally preventing a priest from taking the Liturgy of Saint Basil every day? …

Adherance to the typikon. Divine Liturgy of St. Basil is to be used for: Vigil Divine Liturgy (VDL) for the Nativity (Dec 24), and DL on Feast of St. Basil (Jan 1), Vigil VDL for the Theophany (Jan 5), DL on 5 Sundays of the Great Fast, and VDL on Great and Holy Thursday, and VDL on Great and Holy Saturday. (With some swapping for feasts falling on Sunday.) The peoples portion of the Divine Liturgy of Saint Basil is in the new green book, only the celebrants portion is un-revised and the music is the revised version of 2006.

 

[Hesychios]

Adherance to the typikon.

I realize that, but it seems since the Liturgy of St John is a revision of the liturgy of St Basil, there was a time (deep in the past) when the main liturgy in the tradition was of St Basil (in many ways they are basically the same), and it makes me wonder if a priest could take that every day as a legitimate option.

OK, forget it.

 

[Phillip_Rolfes]

I realize that, but it seems since the Liturgy of St John is a revision of the liturgy of St Basil, there was a time (deep in the past) when the main liturgy in the tradition was of St Basil (in many ways they are basically the same), and it makes me wonder if a priest could take that every day as a legitimate option.

OK, forget it.

Interestingly I heard from somewhere (probably Fr. Taft) that the liturgies of St. John and St. Basil are not at all related, but developed simultaneously in two different regions. While the Liturgy of St. John is obviously not written by him, he did bring it to Constantinople from Antioch. I don’t know about the Liturgy of St. Basil, though. I have no source either, because I believe I picked up this tidbit from conversation with the great Byzantine liturgical historian.

 

[malphono]

Interestingly I heard from somewhere (probably Fr. Taft) that the liturgies of St. John and St. Basil are not at all related, but developed simultaneously in two different regions. While the Liturgy of St. John is obviously not written by him, he did bring it to Constantinople from Antioch.

True to a great degree, although I’m not so sure about the “simultaneous” part which really doesn’t much matter anyway. Whatever case, it’s more that S John adapted the liturgy he brought from Antioch for use in Constantinople. Hence the similarities (even relation) to S Basil.

 

[Vico]

True to a great degree, although I’m not so sure about the “simultaneous” part which really doesn’t much matter anyway. Whatever case, it’s more that S John adapted the liturgy he brought from Antioch for use in Constantinople. Hence the similarities (even relation) to S Basil.

Although there is disagreement on this, the Divine Liturgy of Saint James is thought to be the basis of both the Divine Liturgy of Saint Basil and the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom.

 

[Vico]

The Metropolitan duties of overseeing of the eparchies have been temporarily assumed by Bishop William Skurla of Passaic. The Very Rev. Eugene P. Yackanich, pastor of St. Elias Church in Munhall, is temporarily overseeing the day-to-day operations of the archeparchy.

A temporary administrator cannot make any innovations or major decisions for a year.

Bishop William Skurla said a new archbishop will be named by Pope Benedict XVI, not on a timetable, but historically it has been between six months to a year, and even two years.

The process is that: the three bishops in the archeparchy each secretly submit three names to the Congregation for Oriental Chruches, which will then submit a name to the Pope Benedict XVI for approval.

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[Jakub]

James my brother! :extrahappy:

It is so great to see your name here.

Yes, in fact they do have pierogis! I just had some for lunch.

I am in Shandong Province, and they have been making pierogies here for thousands of years, everyone makes them in this province. Shandong (the ancient home of Confucius) is known for them all over China. I have a theory that the Mongols brought them to Europe with the cabbages.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Potstickers_RTE.jpg

My family (as I recall) always fried them, but here they are more often served just boiled and dipped in vinegar and soy sauce with perhaps crushed garlic or a clove of fresh garlic (as I enjoyed today ).

Well, I cooked some of those pot sticker/dumpling/chinese pierogies (pork & veggies) plus some chow mein and a sauce near what you described…all I can say that I’m Polish & Italian and leave it at that…though the Narragansett was good

james

 

[Hesychios]

Well, I cooked some of those pot sticker/dumpling/chinese pierogies (pork & veggies) plus some chow mein and a sauce near what you described…all I can say that I’m Polish & Italian and leave it at that…though the Narragansett was good

james

Oh.

You bought a pack of frozen one’s huh? The comon one’s here are just like pierogies, but there are also some special other types made with glutenous rice dough and fish or egg stuffings, that sort of thing, particularly in the south of China.

The meat is always chopped fine, not ground as in the States. That gives a different texture. They like chives, and the cabbage is a different variety. They don’t use kapusta or cheese as a stuffing (but pork is common, also lamb and -gasp- donkey ). I had some last night (again) with tube worms stuffing, a delicacy.

I know if you made some fresh one’s here in Shandong just like mom’s the locals would like them and call them jiaozi, although the stuffing might taste a little different from what they were used to the dough, shape and size would be the same.

It’s really the condiments that are different, no onions fried in butter for example. This is probably why I lost so much weight here.

 

[Jakub]

Donkey and worms…nope, no way , thank you kindly…

 

[Aramis]

Is there anything formally preventing a priest from taking the Liturgy of Saint Basil every day?

That the calendar of the Ruthenian Church calendar specifies Chrysostom’s for all but about a double handful of days, and Basil’s for that double handful.

 

[ByzKat]

It’s probably also worth mentioning that a liturgikon for the Liturgy of Saint Basil the Great was promulgated along with that for the Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom - in a separate volume, but sent to each priest in the Metropolia.

Grant, O Lord, to Your priestly servant Basil, blessed repose and eternal memory.

In Christ,
Jeff Mierzejewski

 

[Vico]

It’s probably also worth mentioning that a liturgikon for the Liturgy of Saint Basil the Great was promulgated along with that for the Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom - in a separate volume, but sent to each priest in the Metropolia.

Grant, O Lord, to Your priestly servant Basil, blessed repose and eternal memory.

In Christ,
Jeff Mierzejewski

Thanks for pointing that out.

The celebrants texts are available to read in PDF format here, at the bottom of the page, “2006 Liturgicon”:

patronagechurch.com/Liturgicon_2006/2007%20Liturgy%20-%20Music.htm

In a previous post on this thread I said this,

The peoples portion of the Divine Liturgy of Saint Basil is in the new green book, only the celebrants portion is un-revised and the music is the revised version of 2006.

which seems incorrect, but my pastor remarked that the translations were different of some of the same prayers. I will have to ask him for a better explaination now, because I see that the yellow book for the celebrant is from 2006 also.

 

[Luger]

I’d say the most likely candidate is HG William… Relatively young, moderately vostochnik, and already been moved once… not a hardliner to either side of the RDL debate…

The council of hierarchs will probably have already nominated their three candidates, at some point during the funeral gathering.

The final say, however, is HH Benedict’s…

 

[Patchunky]

Too bad we can’t bring one from the Old Country any more. There are a couple of GREAT LEADERS on the fast track. I know they wouldn’t put up some of the stuff that’s been going here lately…