New Missal Translation

[Phemie]

But wouldn’t Advent 2010 being the start of Cycle A Weekday Year 1 made more sense?

If it were the Lectionary, it might, but it’s the Roman Missal and that doesn’t change from year to year.

 

[brother_dan_mac]

Others - I think are going to be a wash (not better, not worse) just more literal.

*IMO- The idea of being more literal [with regards to linguistics as well as scriptural foundedness] is one of the intentions of the council had in mind in order to keep the universality of the liturgy in tact, free from local predispositions, and thus more unifying.

the net effect on Catholic on saying I believe instead of We believe is going to be NADA.

*You are correct in stating that the average Catholic will not even think twice about this one, but to say “I” instead of “we” makes for a more personal statement, and hopefully, will be cause for reflection on the personal relationship the professor has with his/her God. This was likely the intent.

My major hope in the new translation is IMO the necessity of a more exalted use of the English language instead of the very pedestrian language that’s present in many of the prayers. The English language is capable of great soaring prose and what we have now doesn’t present to us the “noble simplicity” that supposed to be the hallmark of the Novus Ordo.

I love this whole paragraph! I am with you 100%! It has been said that the translators that wrote what we have now were too pressed to get it out in print, and lost some of the “Noble Simplicity” that had been there. IMO, they are right.

*And for the record, and IMHO, you are certainly not a bit heretical, but are,as we all are, simply a person who is attempting to adjust to a change within the Church we love.

 

[benedictgal]

No, because it’s going to take time to get everything published and to create new Mass settings. From what I’ve heard lately, everything’s on track. It’s the publishing companies that will slow things down now.

However, what everyone seems to miss is that the composers have had their hands on the new translations for over a year now. The Ordinary was released to give the composers ample time to write the musical settings to the official texts. I am just afraid that this is another stalling tactic.

 

[brother_dan_mac]

However, what everyone seems to miss is that the composers have had their hands on the new translations for over a year now. The Ordinary was released to give the composers ample time to write the musical settings to the official texts. I am just afraid that this is another stalling tactic.

Hi, B.G.!
Just a thought…since WHEN has the Church acted as swiftly as we would like [IE- 600+ years for Sainthood in some cases]?
IMHO these liturgical changes are mostly lateral, and will not in any way invalidate our current Mass,anyhoo, so let Her be, and the HS will guide Her as always…

pax et bonum

 

[benedictgal]

Hi, B.G.!
Just a thought…since WHEN has the Church acted as swiftly as we would like [IE- 600+ years for Sainthood in some cases]?
IMHO these liturgical changes are mostly lateral, and will not in any way invalidate our current Mass,anyhoo, so let Her be, and the HS will guide Her as always…

pax et bonum

But, the delay is not necessarily coming from Rome. In fact, Rome has been pushing these translations and cracking the proverbial whip. The delay, I suspsect, is coming from the actual conferences and publishers.

Now, I could buy the argument about type-setting and publishing issues if we had the technology of the early 1970s. However, in this digital age, that argument does not work anymore. It is much easier now to correct and print.

 

[Phemie]

Now, I could buy the argument about type-setting and publishing issues if we had the technology of the early 1970s. However, in this digital age, that argument does not work anymore. It is much easier now to correct and print.

Yet it was precisely snafus in the printing process that cause the release of our new Lectionary to be postponed from Advent 2008 to Pentecost 2009.

 

[ProVobis]

Yet it was precisely snafus in the printing process that cause the release of our new Lectionary to be postponed from Advent 2008 to Pentecost 2009.

Imagine what it might be if the US Senate had to approve it.

 

[Joannm]

But, the delay is not necessarily coming from Rome. In fact, Rome has been pushing these translations and cracking the proverbial whip. The delay, I suspsect, is coming from the actual conferences and publishers.

Now, I could buy the argument about type-setting and publishing issues if we had the technology of the early 1970s. However, in this digital age, that argument does not work anymore. It is much easier now to correct and print.

The ball is in Rome’s court right now. Nothing can be done by the publishers until the recognitio comes probably at the end of April at the earliest. Vox Clara can still make changes. The bishops have asked for a year prep time between the recognitio and date of implementation. Don’t blame the publishers. Most of the publishers have their yearly worship aids completed and published by the end of the summer. The BCDW’s workshops for priests won’t be completed until November, the first ones beginning in the late spring so the bishops won’t call for implementation until Advent at the very earliest, but it looks like it could be much later. We in the dioceses are in no rush as we want to make sure everything goes as smoothly as possible. I lived through the changes in the late 60’s into the 70’s. Things were done too fast and no one was prepared. The bishops do not want the same mistake to happen again.

 

[benedictgal]

The ball is in Rome’s court right now. Nothing can be done by the publishers until the recognitio comes probably at the end of April at the earliest. Vox Clara can still make changes. The bishops have asked for a year prep time between the recognitio and date of implementation. Don’t blame the publishers. Most of the publishers have their yearly worship aids completed and published by the end of the summer. The BCDW’s workshops for priests won’t be completed until November, the first ones beginning in the late spring so the bishops won’t call for implementation until Advent at the very earliest, but it looks like it could be much later. We in the dioceses are in no rush as we want to make sure everything goes as smoothly as possible. I lived through the changes in the late 60’s into the 70’s. Things were done too fast and no one was prepared. The bishops do not want the same mistake to happen again.

Rome said that they are not going to take that long. A priest friend of mine is quite disappointed because he really wanted to use the new translations for his silver jubilee Mass at the end of the year.

Part of the problem is that we have known that these new translations were coming. In fact, the Ordinary was released back in 2008 with the idea of preparing the faithful. Those who do not seem to be in a rush to do anything probably do not care to see these translations implemented, as I see it, and would rather delay the process even more.

 

[brother_dan_mac]

Imagine what it might be if the US Senate had to approve it.

YIKEYS! If the SENATE had to approve everything the U.S. Bishops do, we wouldn’t even have CATHOLIC SOCIAL TEACHING here yet!!! :banghead: …uhhhh, ca. mid 19th CENTURY?

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DOHHHHH

 

[brother_dan_mac]

Rome said that they are not going to take that long. A priest friend of mine is quite disappointed because he really wanted to use the new translations for his silver jubilee Mass at the end of the year.

Part of the problem is that we have known that these new translations were coming. In fact, the Ordinary was released back in 2008 with the idea of preparing the faithful. Those who do not seem to be in a rush to do anything probably do not care to see these translations implemented, as I see it, and would rather delay the process even more.

Don’t get me wrong, BG, I want to see these changes, and perhaps our Bishops are dropping the ball, but I do have faith that it all will wash out eventually. I was simply aluding to point that our present Mass is still “OKAY”, however diluted it may be, and that just PERHAPS it may be alright in the end, as long as the execution of the changes are done properly, and everyone has access to all the resources and texts when they ARE finally implemented.

Now, as for the impact on spirituality in the Church, I suspect that those who are, or are not, truly living with Christ in their hearts will remain on their respective paths, regardless, Although as I have stated, I think the new Liturgy especially will make us think more about our faith, and in particular, as it pertains to what is going on in the Mass Celebration, and that certainly is a good thing.

Bottom line though- Jesus is still on the Throne-[sorry for the pun]

 

[brother_dan_mac]

**WOW! **What a long timultuous journey THAT was!!!.. **WHEW! **A very astute visiting preist from Africa recently commented “The church should never have waited nearly five decades to straighten this out, and therefore allowing a whole generation to live learning the inacuracy, and causing so much termoil within the members!” That is an understatement.

This is still a bit devisive, but hopefully as we continue to say the Mass in it’s original nuances, it will begin to make sense to us all. For myself, I really appreciate that the new liturgical changes did exactly what I expected them to do; that is, to make the Mass more reflective of the deeper meaning of practices and creeds that take place. Really,we cannot begin to realize the depth or implications the Mass holds, for each participant as well as the human family as a whole…