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Palmas did a great job. But I’m surprised he accepted a fava bean. My mother always told me to refuse it because it was the Italians “passing their bad luck off to us Irish” 😃 And, no, I’m not making that up!

Seriously though, the most magnificent St. Joseph’s altar was to be found on the steps of St. Joseph’s Church on Tulane Ave. I wish I could find a picture of it. I had to go home on the bus from high school each year.

And speaking of buses. No one does it now, anywhere I’ve been but up until the 70s it was not at all unusual to see people making the sign of the cross as a bus or streetcar passed by a church.

Palmas, didn’t mention All Saint’s Day. Before All Saint’s Day, everyone would take buckets, scrub brushes, white wash, and paint brushes and head to the cemetary. It was usually done on the weekend before and a picnic lunch was packed. In my family, my great-aunt Claire was the matriarch of the family. My family’s tomb was a raised masonry tomb filled with earth and surrounded by marble vases. It was the duty of the kids to go to the faucets provided and bring back buckets of water into which detergent was poured. The exterior of the raised tomb was scrubbed and the weeds were picked out of the earth. The marble was scrubbed and the brass was polished. Then everything was rinsed with clean water.

A break was taken and everyone ate lunch - ham sandwiches with potato salad. When the tomb was dry, it was whitewashed fresh and new. Around 2 pm, everyone would head off to the small chapel for a prayer service.

On All Saint’s Day, the family would place flowers on the tomb. The cemetaries were filled with families.

In today’s world, the Archdiocese gives you five minutes to drive your car through, jump out, and place your flowers. We do what we have to given what is going on.

I’m sure Palmas will remember that during the 60s, Good Friday was so sacred that no movies were shown. Yep, the theatres closed as well as the restaurants.

But in the 70s things changed. I’m not in a position to state exactly what happened. Lots of folks had moved to the suburbs. My folks moved in 55 out to extreme west Metairie. But we had a neighborhood! Of the fourteen houses on our block, eight were Catholic. When Katrina came through, although my mother and father were gone, there were still five of the original neighbors still living there. And, yes, I did get in contact with their kids to find out how they were doing. As did my sister.

On another note. I’ve lived up here in Baton Rouge for 30 years. I am a member of the last graduating class of St. Aloysius High School and there are enough of my fellow Crusaders that we now have an alumni chapter here in Baton Rouge.
 
Wow! The theatres were actually closed on Good Friday! I never knew that. Brother you mentioned the Cemetary’s. I have wondered how they made it through the flooding from Katrina? :confused: I hope to visit my Brother & SIL who live in Slidell this year and I will make it a point to visit some of the beautiful churches you and Palmas mentioned. Please feel free to tell us more about what it was like living in New Orleans “back in the day,” it is so interesting!:yup:
 
I can’t help but notice that there are a whole bunch of folks who think that NO is sin city central and that God was justified in “sending Katrina”. I’m gonna leave it at that.
You have a chip on your shoulder, brother, and it’s not good for your soul.

I’m gonna leave it at that.
 
You have a chip on your shoulder, brother, and it’s not good for your soul.

I’m gonna leave it at that.
Actually, Brotherhrolf is quite the reasonable man. And there WERE some egregious postings on these fora just after Katrina struck the city. I should think it wise to “leave it at that.”
 
Palmas, didn’t mention All Saint’s Day. Before All Saint’s Day, everyone would take buckets, scrub brushes, white wash, and paint brushes and head to the cemetary. It was usually done on the weekend before and a picnic lunch was packed. In my family, my great-aunt Claire was the matriarch of the family. My family’s tomb was a raised masonry tomb filled with earth and surrounded by marble vases. It was the duty of the kids to go to the faucets provided and bring back buckets of water into which detergent was poured. The exterior of the raised tomb was scrubbed and the weeds were picked out of the earth. The marble was scrubbed and the brass was polished. Then everything was rinsed with clean water.

A break was taken and everyone ate lunch - ham sandwiches with potato salad. When the tomb was dry, it was whitewashed fresh and new. Around 2 pm, everyone would head off to the small chapel for a prayer service.

On All Saint’s Day, the family would place flowers on the tomb. The cemetaries were filled with families.

In today’s world, the Archdiocese gives you five minutes to drive your car through, jump out, and place your flowers. We do what we have to given what is going on.
Ah, All Saints Day! Though I’ve never experienced it in New Orleans, Brotherhrolf, your family’s preparations sound very similar to mine. It’s the only personal memories I have of my grandparents. It really impacted me (and still does) to see the importance my parents and uncles placed on cleaning, scrubbing, painting, picking out the perfect mums, and placing them on those graves. Though the St. Gabriel cemetary (in St. Gabriel) is not nearly as large as those of NO, I always loved being there, reading (trying to) the inscriptions, many in French, and seeing all those old French and German names like Osterberger and Hymel. I loved how the priest would read each and every family name before he would walk the entire cemetary and bless each grave.
 
My family’s tomb in St. Joseph # 3 just southwest (sorta, kinda) of the Irish Channel went under. A marble vase fell off the tomb and broke. Sis put the parts back together…

Yes, the theatres and the restaurants closed on Good Friday when I was a child. I guess that is what makes me so angry. I’m not particularly old - I’m just 55. There is a whole slew of people who are my age and who grew up in the New Orleans Palmas and I describe… They’re still living there. Not within the confines of the city limit to be sure - but out in the suburbs…

This is a legitimate question. I’m not all that old Don’t laugh)… I’m 55 and I consider myself a traditional Catholic. I’m good to go with a reverent NO (wouldn’t be a member of a really devout NO cathdral parish) or a traditional TLM.

To all you folks my age…we don’t have a whole lot of time to pass on what we received from our parents and grand parents.

I think this is something which is missed in this whole controversy. Hey, y’all…I WAS an altar boy before V II. I look at those videos on You Tube and I enter into serving Our Lord. There is no other way I can describe it.

We’ve lost so much. Sigh.
 
Karen, I am more than aware that the same celebration goes on out in the country. My brothers and sisters in Acadie are united with us.

Hey, y’all! I get upset with all the Wrath of God scenarios for New Orleans. But in reality, it’s not just limited to NO. Not by a long shot. All of southern Louisiana is predominatley Catholic and all of us follow the liturgical year.

I’m sorry if I focused on NO. The reality is that all across south Louisiana, we all do the same thing. Karen is right…I’m focusing on New Orleans only when I know that all of south Louisiana is part of a greater whole. We all belonged to the Archdiocese of New Orleans at one point or the other.
 
Karen, I am more than aware that the same celebration goes on out in the country. My brothers and sisters in Acadie are united with us.

Hey, y’all! I get upset with all the Wrath of God scenarios for New Orleans. But in reality, it’s not just limited to NO. Not by a long shot. All of southern Louisiana is predominatley Catholic and all of us follow the liturgical year.

I’m sorry if I focused on NO. The reality is that all across south Louisiana, we all do the same thing. Karen is right…I’m focusing on New Orleans only when I know that all of south Louisiana is part of a greater whole. We all belonged to the Archdiocese of New Orleans at one point or the other.
No, it’s okay. I was the one who got off topic by talking about the country. I think it’s great that you know NO that intimately. It’s a shame, that I’ve lived here my whole life and I probably can count on both my hands the number of trips down there. The first being to the Audobon Zoo by Amtrak, on a field trip in Kindergarten. The one and only time (and first time I was allowed) to go at Mardi Gras was when I was 18. The main thing I wanted was a souviner glass from Pat O’Brien’s. 🙂
 
Did any of ya’ll do the nine churches on Good Friday? I know my family wasn’t the only group making the rounds. It’s been years since I participated, but I have some great memories.
 
I did when I was younger with my mother before V II. We’d probably have to check to see if all are still open today.
 
:Although I have been reading post of the CA forum for a year, I have never posted until today. After reading the posts on this topic, I am happy to say that catholicism is alive and well here in New Orleans. The first churchs to re-open after Katrina were catholic. However, most churches were stripped bare, but, the alters remained and mass was held. As more people returned to damaged or destroyed homes, many of us still living in FEMA trailers, everyone felt that returning to the church was returning home. Midnight Mass at St. Maria Goretti was packed, as this was only the second Mass actually said in the church. In October, St. Anthony of Padua hosted the rosary congress which drew large crowds each night. The catholic culture still strives, Ash Wednesday still gets top billing in the news, and Bourbon street still closes at Midnight on Mardi Gras in observance of the beginning of lent. Don’t be swayed by news reports, we have always been and still are a catholic city. I will be only one of 1000’s moving theough the city with ashes on my head on 21 February. The most wonderful thing in the world is that theonly question I’ll have to answer, is what time and at what church will ashes be given at this evening.
 
In New Orleans, you eat a lot of boiled crabs.
A true New Orleanian eats a lot of “berled” crabs. 😃

New Orleans still has a wonderful Catholic identity, and perhaps it is coming back. I went to the Tridentine Mass at St. Patrick’s this morning with my 8 year old son and have never seen so many people. It was wonderful.
 
First, welcome to the forums! I was baptized at St. Anthony’s. I am a member of the last graduating class of St. Aloysius. UNO grad here. I came up here to BR to go to grad school met my DW and have been here ever since. I hope to be buried back home in St. Joseph #3 on Washington Ave. NO will always be home.

All people know of our beloved city is Mardi Gras. They don’t understand that no self respecting native New Orleanian would ever act out like people do during Mardi Gras. It’s people from other parts of the world who “think” that is the way things should be done. I no longer attend. I took my two boys and met my sister for the Mardi Gras parades on Vet’s in 1990 and said never again.

But I can remember riding the bus home from high school back in the 60s and almost everyone had ashes on their foreheads. This isn’t unique to NO. All of south Louisiana is still profoundly Catholic. The Cathedral here in BR is packed with state workers on Ash Wednesday and they go back to their offices.

I had to give a presentation for my job down in the lower 9th in December last year. I was not two blocks from Holy Cross - our arch rivals (except for Jesuit). The destruction is overwhelming. I’ve been out to Lakeview too. My brother and my last remaining uncle are in Harahan. My cousin lost everything down in Chalmette and is living up here in BR.

St. Anthony went under. I cried when I saw what happened to St. Dominic - we went there more often than St. Anthony when I was little.

On the bus ride home from high school out to Kenner - I can still see people making the sign of the cross on the bus when passing before St. Joseph’s on Tulane. The New Orleans in which I grew up was profoundly and deeply Catholic. Before V II the restaurants, bars, and movie theatres closed on Good Friday.

New Orleans is NOT Bourbon St. or Mardi Gras. NO is cleaning your family’s tomb on Halloween to be ready for putting flowers out on All Saints.
 
A true New Orleanian eats a lot of “berled” crabs. 😃

New Orleans still has a wonderful Catholic identity, and perhaps it is coming back. I went to the Tridentine Mass at St. Patrick’s this morning with my 8 year old son and have never seen so many people. It was wonderful.
I know all about dem berled crabs. It is tragic that I am now allergic to them. Fond, fond memories of eating crabs at Fitzgerald’s out on West End.

Glad to see St. Pat’s doing well. But there’s no way I’m heading down to the City until after Mardi Gras. I was appalled by the article in the TP this morning about the Krewe de Vieux. DW and I want to see the Vatican mosaics at Ursuline.
 
I know all about dem berled crabs. It is tragic that I am now allergic to them. Fond, fond memories of eating crabs at Fitzgerald’s out on West End.

Glad to see St. Pat’s doing well. But there’s no way I’m heading down to the City until after Mardi Gras. I was appalled by the article in the TP this morning about the Krewe de Vieux. DW and I want to see the Vatican mosaics at Ursuline.
It was fine in the city today. They celebrated Septuagesima. It was nice to go to a church where you can go to confession just prior to Mass. Those are such a rarity now.

The blasphemy of the Krewe de Vieux was mentioned in the bulletin at St. Pat’s as well. God bless those people. They are in serious need of grace. We must pray for them.
 
The blasphemy of the Krewe de Vieux was mentioned in the bulletin at St. Pat’s as well. God bless those people. They are in serious need of grace. We must pray for them.
Could you explain the Krewe de Vieux and what happened? Does it have something to do with Mardi Gras and a parade?:confused:
 
The Krewe de Vieux is a group that stages a parade that moves through thr French Quarters. here is an exceprt from the article that appeared in yesterday’s paper:

While much of the reaction to the 2005 parade was delayed, based on viewing of images on a Krewe du Vieux Web site, many Catholics were angry about one participant’s use of fake breasts next to the words “Our Lady of very Prompt Succor” and references to Jesus as “Cheesus.”

They also protested one float’s use of the image of a lamb chop, with signs proclaiming “He Died for Ewe” and “Ewes for Jesus.” In addition, the image of a male sex organ was incorporated into one float that alluded to the biblical story of Jesus turning water into wine.

The group claims that the theme of every parade is a parody of some current event. This was over the top and very offense.
 
The Krewe de Vieux is a group that stages a parade that moves through thr French Quarters. here is an exceprt from the article that appeared in yesterday’s paper:

While much of the reaction to the 2005 parade was delayed, based on viewing of images on a Krewe du Vieux Web site, many Catholics were angry about one participant’s use of fake breasts next to the words “Our Lady of very Prompt Succor” and references to Jesus as “Cheesus.”

They also protested one float’s use of the image of a lamb chop, with signs proclaiming “He Died for Ewe” and “Ewes for Jesus.” In addition, the image of a male sex organ was incorporated into one float that alluded to the biblical story of Jesus turning water into wine.

The group claims that the theme of every parade is a parody of some current event. This was over the top and very offense.
Oh dear:( . That makes me ill.
 
While much of the reaction to the 2005 parade was delayed, based on viewing of images on a Krewe du Vieux Web site, many Catholics were angry about one participant’s use of fake breasts next to the words “Our Lady of very Prompt Succor” and references to Jesus as “Cheesus.”

They also protested one float’s use of the image of a lamb chop, with signs proclaiming “He Died for Ewe” and “Ewes for Jesus.” In addition, the image of a male sex organ was incorporated into one float that alluded to the biblical story of Jesus turning water into wine.

The group claims that the theme of every parade is a parody of some current event. This was over the top and very offense.
I was actually at the parade (we didn’t know the theme - my cousin was in NO for the weekend and my wife and I met them for the day - we live in Baton Rouge). While eating dinner the waiter told us that there was a parade in an hour so we went to catch it.

I’m not a prude by any stretch, but this parade was way over the top.

The floats are accurately described above, and actually do not convey the shock value of seeing them live.
 
Sounds sorta like the Spanish Town Mardi Gras parade although not as questionable.
 
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