New Perspective on Paul

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This is a new term to me - I have googled and read a little about it. NT Wright, a Anglican Bishop, is a proponent. It seems to be a movement closer to the Catholic interpretation of justification. How does it differ from the Catholic interpretation?
 
New Perspective looks at faith and good works as sort of a mutual relationship, which makes it, yes, much closer to the Catholic position than traditional Protestant thought regarding the necessity of works.

The difference, however, lies in that the New Perspective makes the claim that “works” referred to by Paul only refers to ceremonial works such as circumcision, and not to the moral law.

The traditional approach of the Church through much of her history has been that “works” refers to any law, whether the moral law, mosaic or ceremonial.

Hope this helps, at first I was a bit confused on it too.
 
New Perspective looks at faith and good works as sort of a mutual relationship, which makes it, yes, much closer to the Catholic position than traditional Protestant thought regarding the necessity of works.

The difference, however, lies in that the New Perspective makes the claim that “works” referred to by Paul only refers to ceremonial works such as circumcision, and not to the moral law.

The traditional approach of the Church through much of her history has been that “works” refers to any law, whether the moral law, mosaic or ceremonial.

Hope this helps, at first I was a bit confused on it too.
More accurately, the New Perspective stresses that, in writing about “works of the law” (and sometimes just “works” as a sort of shorthand), St. Paul was challenging the claims of the Judaizers who, as can be seen in Acts 15, claimed that precepts of the Jewish law were binding on all Christians, Gentiles included. This did not primarily refer to the (oft cited by Protestants and some Catholics) 613 precepts of the Jewish ritual, purity and moral laws but, arguably, to three limited areas: circumcision, table fellowship, and keeping the Sabbath. If you read the controversies in Acts and read St. Paul (especially Galatians and Romans) in this light, you see that it fits quite well with this.

Protestant commentators have long painted the picture of the Jews of Jesus time (especially the Pharisees) as being under bondage to meticulously keeping all the famous 613 laws in order to be saved, but modern scholarship has not borne that out. Jewish scholars, of course, have been objecting for centuries that this paint’s an inaccurate picture of Judaism at any time in her history. Christian scholarship is finally acknowledging that.

The Church has not, in fact, equated “works” with laws. She has, however, warned against the practice of slavishly following a religious “system” of one’s own making in order to be saved. This follows from Paul’s teaching about Christians not being bound by Jewish laws, but it is not derived from it.
 
for a good understanding of Paul I think you will find these audiences of Pope Benedict XVI interesting…

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20061025_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20061108_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20061115_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20061122_en.html

Series from the Year of St. Paul

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20080702_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20080827_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20080903_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20080910_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20080924_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081001_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081008_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081015_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081022_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081029_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081105_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081112_en.html

Faith and works in these two:

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081119_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081126_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081203_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081210_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20090107_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20090114_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20090128_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20090204_en.html

books that contain them:

ignatius.com/Products/SPAUL-H/saint-paul.aspx

ignatius.com/Products/JAEC-H/jesus-the-apostles-and-the-early-church.aspx
 
I would disagree, Fidelis. Not about your presentation of the New Perspective, but about your aparently sweeping endorsement of it.

The New Perspective was heavily developed by Dunn and Sanders, and focused more on the idea that Paul was less concerned with individualistic issues of obligating God through the law as much as he was with universalistic issues: gentiles being excluded based on an ethnic identity. I would argue that this is a false dichotomy.
First off, if Paul was only worried about tha nationalistic issues (circumcision, etc), why does he begin by addressing the human being, as opposed to the Jew?

Why does he begin with personal implications of passing moral judgements on others? (Romans 2:1-11).

Even when Paul speaks rhetorically to the Jews, he doesn’t deal simply with ethnic pride, but with the assumption that the knowledge of God’s will mediated by the Law brings moral superiority (Romans 2:17-24). Circumcision was a national marker, but Paul also assumes that it was a claim to religious preeminence mediated by the Law, and consequently constituted an assurance of salvation. He attacks this claim in Romans 2.

This dichotomy of ritual and ethics runs against the grain of virtually all early Judaism, including the Hellenistic variety attested to by Philo since even for him ritual demands serve to teach ethical lessons. (Philo: De Specialibus Legibus, 1.2-2.12). The close connection between purity and transgression that appears in the Qumran materials would seem to point toward the essential unity of the issue in the minds of first century Jews. The expression “works of the Law” never means anything more precise than “works done in obedience to the Law.”

In an admittedly strict form of Judaism, works were accorded salvific value in 4 Ezra 7:77. A fragment of a letter found in Cave 4 at Qumran attests a connection between anticipated deeds of obedience (works) and the attribution of righteousness by God, so it’s a bit hard to believe that there was no connection for Paul between his post-conversion concept of “grace” and his earlier righteousness “obtained through the Law.”

Trent never made a distinction between Ceremonial and Moral Law. Paul is NOT merely condemning a “system” of attaining Salvation, he is condemning ANY work that obligates God, whether the Mosaic Law or any moral act apart from Judaism. Circumcision itself was just a really prime example of this. This is why Trent made no distinction in the very first Canon of the 6th Session: If anyone shall say that man can be justified before God by his own works which are done either by his own natural powers, or through the teaching of the Law, and without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema."

The Church didn’t condemn the Mosaic Law only, it condemned “the Law,” as in ANY act that may obligate God. Trent essentialy sided with St. Augustine’s view instead of St. Jerome’s limited view of what was meant by the Law.

Because this idea of what the “Law” actually means is much more inclusive than merely Judaism, I would submit that your statement that the Church does not equate “works” with “laws” is false. It misconstrues what is meant by “Law.”
 
New Perspective looks at faith and good works as sort of a mutual relationship, which makes it, yes, much closer to the Catholic position than traditional Protestant thought regarding the necessity of works.

The difference, however, lies in that the New Perspective makes the claim that “works” referred to by Paul only refers to ceremonial works such as circumcision, and not to the moral law.

The traditional approach of the Church through much of her history has been that “works” refers to any law, whether the moral law, mosaic or ceremonial.

Hope this helps, at first I was a bit confused on it too.
I am just wondering how this would not undermine Sola Fide,

Also, I thought the Catholic position was that “works of the law” referred to the rituals of the Torah. This would be different from the “works” James speaks of.

And yes, very confusing.
 
I am just wondering how this would not undermine Sola Fide - though I guess it is a hot topic among Protestants.

Also, I thought the Catholic position was that “works of the law” referred to the rituals of the Torah. This would be different from the “works” James speaks of.

And yes, very confusing.
 
To compound the issue, in Romans 2 Paul says the “doers of the law will be justified.” Then goes on to say in Romans 3:28 that justification comes apart from the law. So right off the bat you have to realize that there is a sense in which the law justifies and a sense in which it does not.

He clears this up in Romans Chapter 4, where he covers the concept of “obligation,” and the principle of legal obligation then becomes the primary distinction between works and grace. The Law is to convict of sin, but it was never meant to serve as a means of justification apart from grace, and so without grace, without the familial setting, it condemns. Basically, without the personal aspect of the covenant with God, the Law judges impersonally. Paul points out the folly of trying to justify oneself through the Law, since without grace the only way to justify oneself is to fulfill the entire Law. This cannot merely refer to the Mosaic Law, it refers to any form of the Law that man might justify himself by. This concept of obligation is a key reason why I would disagree with the New Perspective, because it usually is not covered indepth.

So what does Paul mean by “works of the Law?” There are viable interpretations on both sides, of say, Romans 3:28, and the argument goes as far back as Saint Agustine and Saint Jerome. St. Jerome held that “the Law” referred to the Ceremonial Law, and Augustine was of the opinion that it referred to the Ceremonial Law and the Moral Law.

Examples of Paul referring to the “Law” in a Ceremonial sense can be found in Galations 2:14-16, where he equates Jewish customs (Sabbath, circumcision, kosher, etc.) with observing the Law, and goes on to state that is not what justifies.

Paul also refers to “Law” or “works of the Law” in a moral sense, exemplified in the Decalogue. Ex: Romans 2:17: Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the Law." Then he goes on to specify that he means the moral laws as he focuses on the commandments of the Decalogue. He also focuses on the moral Law in distinction of the Ceremonial Law in Romans 2:25: “For indeed Circumcision profits you if you obey Law, but if you trangress the Law your circumcision has become uncircumcision.” In the context, it shows that if they violate the moral law, they make their circumcision (the Ceremonial Law) as uncircumcision. Romans 7:6-8 refers specifically to the moral Law when he says that one cannot be saved from the Law. By indicating that he had been “released” from the law against coveting, Paul uses moral Law as a representative of the “Law.” He goes on to demonstrate this by showing how the law against coveting actually brought death (vs. 10, 11, 13). In Romans 3:19-20, Paul talks about the whole world being judged by the God according to the Law, so it must be a Law that aplies to Jew and Gentile alike. Romans 3:9 states that “Jews and Gentile alike are all under sin,” so again he must here be referring to the moral Law.

A third way Paul uses “Law” is in reference to the Universal Law, not a written code of any form but the Law written on mens’ hearts, as in Romans 2:14-15: “For whenever the Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature the things of the Law, these not having the Law are a Law unto themselves, who show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their consciences witnessing with their thoughts, accusing or excusing them.” Paul speaks of this unwritten Law indirectly in Romans 1:19-20: "…because what is known of God is plain to them for God has made it plain. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, both his everlasting power and his divinity, so that they are without excuse.

As you can see, the “Law,” no matter what form it comes in, convicts of sin apart from grace. Table fellowship, Circumcision, etc, were merely the example par excellence of the problem of obligation, as opposed to being the main problem in and of themselves. Paul means something deeper than this. This is why the Council of Trent made no differentiation between any “aspect” or “form” of the Law or any other work. In this decision they followed more in the vein of Augustinian thought rather than Saint Jerome. Both Luther and Calvin attacked the Church with the strawman view by looking to the views of Jerome as definitive.
 
=Nathan Wagar;6615727]New Perspective looks at faith and good works as sort of a mutual relationship, which makes it, yes, much closer to the Catholic position than traditional Protestant thought regarding the necessity of works.
The difference, however, lies in that the New Perspective makes the claim that “works” referred to by Paul only refers to ceremonial works such as circumcision, and not to the moral law.
The traditional approach of the Church through much of her history has been that “works” refers to any law, whether the moral law, mosaic or ceremonial.
Hope this helps, at first I was a bit confused on it too.
With GREAT Consistancy Paul refers to salvation NOT being "through works of the law."

Two points:

This reference is to the expaned by 300+ rules and laws added to the Orginal ten Commandments, specifically and precisely and exclusively.

The Works refered to In James, Hebrews and Ephesians are GOOD WORKS of both Charity and Obedience. One cannot “work” ones way into heaven; but with the same certainty One is not going to attain heaven without WORKS!

**See James 2, Phil. 2:12,Jn. 9:4, Eph.2:7-10 **as examples for understanding the difference, and of course Matt Chapter Five.

Love and prayers,
Pat
 
I’ll be honest, I’m not completely clear what point you are arguing. The issue isn’t what “works” refers to, since James is speaking of works through grace. The issue is what “Law” refers to, and I’ve posted above that when Paul speaks of the Law’s inability to save (apart from grace) he is referring to any law, whether mosaic, universal, or otherwise. Because of this, Paul cannot merely be refering to the “300+ rules added to the Commandments,” because he makes reference to a Universal Law that applies to the gentiles as well. If at any point one argues that “Law” pertains merely to Ceremonial only, or moral only, etc, then the counter-argument is immediately made by Protestants that the implication is that there is some work that CAN justify.
 
I think also that we misrepresent Judaism, at least prior to Jesus Christ, if we remove the central element of faith. Certainly there had always been the legalists, as there are today, both in and out of Catholicism, but a close look at the progress of God’s Revelation to Israel, starting way back with Abraham, reveals that God was teaching faith along with the Law, the Law being the means by which Israel knew their own sin, their formation of conscience we might say, and also their moral guide for everyday living.

But the great elaborate system of sacrifice was precisely there because people were not able to keep the moral Law perfectly, anymore than we are able today. They needed the means to reconcile with God. And, as we know, those sacrifices all point toward Christ who is the last and complete blood sacrifice for sin, the perfect first-born without blemish, the Lamb of God.

To speak of the Law as what saves a man prior to Christ, is to miss the sacrificial part of that Covenant with God. Of course the Law in and of itself, as prescriptive, could not save a man, but the means was there, pointing to the ultimate sacrifice to come. In that way we see that the Jews needed to have faith in God, and it was when they lost that faith, that trust, that they found themselves under the heel of one tyrant or another.

That is at least part of what Jesus meant when he said that he had not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. Paul says in various places that the Law is good. Clearly, he is talking about the moral law, because the sacrificial system was now gone for Christians, replaced by Christ’s sacrifice which we enter into at Mass, and in ministering to Gentiles Paul was also in concert with Peter and the decision taken at Jerusalem to relieve Gentile Christians of the dietary requirements of Judaism.

It is a mistake then to think that before Jesus the people of God worked their way into favor with God and that afterward it is all faith. Faith was also there before Christ, but now we have the person of the Holy Spirit to help us from within, to fulfill the moral law, grace flowing in abundance through the sacraments of the Church, to not only reconcile us with God but enable us to do the works of Christ and have merit attributed to us for those works done in the power of grace. He enables us and then gives us the credit! How abundantly generous is our God!
 
I do not yet know enough about the NPP to have a well-informed comment on it. However, I have enormous respect for N.T. Wright, who is one of my very favorite Christian writers, and so I look forward to reading what he has to say on the NPP. I may or may not agree, but I’m sure I’ll find his case for it fascinating and edifying.
 
I think also that we misrepresent Judaism, at least prior to Jesus Christ, if we remove the central element of faith. Certainly there had always been the legalists, as there are today, both in and out of Catholicism, but a close look at the progress of God’s Revelation to Israel, starting way back with Abraham, reveals that God was teaching faith along with the Law, the Law being the means by which Israel knew their own sin, their formation of conscience we might say, and also their moral guide for everyday living.

But the great elaborate system of sacrifice was precisely there because people were not able to keep the moral Law perfectly, anymore than we are able today. They needed the means to reconcile with God. And, as we know, those sacrifices all point toward Christ who is the last and complete blood sacrifice for sin, the perfect first-born without blemish, the Lamb of God.

To speak of the Law as what saves a man prior to Christ, is to miss the sacrificial part of that Covenant with God. Of course the Law in and of itself, as prescriptive, could not save a man, but the means was there, pointing to the ultimate sacrifice to come. In that way we see that the Jews needed to have faith in God, and it was when they lost that faith, that trust, that they found themselves under the heel of one tyrant or another.

That is at least part of what Jesus meant when he said that he had not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. Paul says in various places that the Law is good. Clearly, he is talking about the moral law, because the sacrificial system was now gone for Christians, replaced by Christ’s sacrifice which we enter into at Mass, and in ministering to Gentiles Paul was also in concert with Peter and the decision taken at Jerusalem to relieve Gentile Christians of the dietary requirements of Judaism.

It is a mistake then to think that before Jesus the people of God worked their way into favor with God and that afterward it is all faith. Faith was also there before Christ, but now we have the person of the Holy Spirit to help us from within, to fulfill the moral law, grace flowing in abundance through the sacraments of the Church, to not only reconcile us with God but enable us to do the works of Christ and have merit attributed to us for those works done in the power of grace. He enables us and then gives us the credit! How abundantly generous is our God!
I could not have worded this better. Amen and Amen!
 
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