New priest on EWTN

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These men are consecrated religious. They had a vocation to be a Franciscan first and foremost, and were later sent to seminary by their superior. They will not in all likelihood not ever be sent to a parish, nor should they, as that is not the charism of their community.
 
=screwtape01;10022071]How long does it take for these new priest move on and go to work in Dioces the are in real need of priests. Up here in Maine one priest has to travel to 3 churches to celebrate mass.
This seems unfear when when EWTN has the 6 regular priets that I love (not drazy about Dominic). Now you have two new priests and on deacon.
These people need to be sent you to proclaim the Word of God to place’s that really need them
Thank you,
Wayne from Maine-👍
Actually TWO DEACONS soon to be Ordained.😃

The question you ask has many variables.

Have you considered that EWTN likely has by a HUGE MARGIN, a larger parish than any other in the US?

My parish had 4 priest [two churches; one a “Mission church”] and now has 3 priest.

I SUSPECT 🤷 That when they are not chosen to say Mass on TV, they have other meaningful task to perform.🙂 Likey work regularly in other parish work too. Several of them do regular other TV schedule work too, and Father Anothony is the Head of the group so like a Pastor, has no problems with gainful FT employment.

Your point about NEED for Priest is extremly true and a GREAT need of our prayers,

God Bless,
Pat

The Bishop makes that call, based on HIS NEEDS and plans.
 
The priests or, more appropriately, friars of EWTN belong to a religious order. Their boss is not the diocesan bishop nor the laity. No matter how much griping we do, none of them will serve parishes unless their superior tells them to (with an invitation from the diocesan bishop, of course). And that is still dependent on the charism of the order/community.

Also note that the ordained friar’s first priority is to serve his brothers by leading them in the liturgy.
 
How long does it take for these new priest move on and go to work in Dioces the are in real need of priests. Up here in Maine one priest has to travel to 3 churches to celebrate mass.
This seems unfear when when EWTN has the 6 regular priets that I love (not drazy about Dominic). Now you have two new priests and on deacon.

These people need to be sent you to proclaim the Word of God to place’s that really need them

Thank you,
Wayne from Maine-👍
The problem here is a misunderstanding between the vocation to the Franciscan life and to the priesthood. A man who enters the Franciscan life does not enter to be a priest. One can be a priest without being a Franciscan.

A man who is a Franciscan and is a priest, still remains a religious brother until death. His primary duty as a priest is to serve his brothers in community. Our priests are not ordained for traditional parish ministry.

In the past, we took on parishes, because we came with immigrant poor. We lived among them. They needed the friars. This is rarely the case anymore. The friars continue to take on parishes in areas that are materially poor, but are closing parishes among the middle class or returning them to the bishops.

The movement is to return to the roots of the 13th century. The strong pull is toward the itinerant friar. Many Franciscan communities have adopted one or more of the following int our constitutions.
  1. No friar shall be ordained a priest
  2. Only enough priests shall be ordained to serve the needs of the friars.
  3. The superior may call any friar to holy orders, but he may not place any friar in a parish.
  4. Friars are not serve the middle class.
  5. Friars will not take on parishes or other apostolic works where the non ordained friars are not received as equals to the ordained friars. That is where the non ordained friars are not allowed to hold positions as parish administrators, spiritual directors, retreat masters, formators, superiors of the house, theologians, seminary professors, chaplains or any other work that would be denied to our Holy Father Francis.
  6. Friars may remain at parishes where they have longevity.
  7. Friars my take on a parish for the short-term until the diocese can make another arrangement.
  8. No friars shall be assigned to any post unless three can be assigned and unless the position can guarantee that the work will not interfere with the life of the community. Every friar must be present for the LOTH, community meals, community mass, community recreation, monthly house chapter, annual community retreat, annual community vacation, periods of silence and no friar shall exempt himself from any community function under the excuse of having to serve the ministry, except in cases where there is a danger of death.
  9. No friar may live alone for an extended period of time, unless he lives the rule for hermits.
As you can see it’s not a matter of ordaining a friar and assigning him. The friar’s first duty is to the community and to the religious life. His priesthood is to be a fraternal ministry to his brothers in community. When he steps outside of the community to serve the rest of the world, he must be able to do so with other brothers, not alone and in a situation where there can be a mix of ordained and non ordained brothers. If non ordained brothers are not welcome as equals, the friars do not take the post. They must leave if the economic situation of the people improves.

For example, the Franciscans of the Renewal have over 100 priests, but non serve in parishes. We have six, but non serve in parishes. The Franciscans of the Primitive Observance have eight, but non serve in parishes. The Capuchins are pulling their men to send out as itinerant preachers and not taking on parishes in areas of middle income or higher. The Observant Franciscans are doing the same. Now the Conventual Franciscans are moving toward parishes where there is equality for all the friars.

That’s the Franciscan renewal today. The goal is to return to the primitive community life where all of the friars were one family, no distinctions, and lived and worked among the poor. Each friar was free to work at whatever gift he had. However, the exercise of priestly ministry was strictly controlled by vote by the other friars. Even the superior could not overrule this.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
As has been mentioned by a couple of folks here, for the Franciscan Order the priesthood is accidental. From the reading I have done the entire Order could actually function without any priests at all (their founder wasn’t even a priest), so maybe we should count our blessings and see these holy men as “bonus priests”. Or better yet, see them as Brothers.
 
As has been mentioned by a couple of folks here, for the Franciscan Order the priesthood is accidental. From the reading I have done the entire Order could actually function without any priests at all (their founder wasn’t even a priest), so maybe we should count our blessings and see these holy men as “bonus priests”. Or better yet, see them as Brothers.
There are a number of religious families that have priests by accident, not by necessity: Cistercians, Camaldolese, Carmelites, Franciscans, Trappists, Servites, and Benedictines. These were founded as fraternities, not as clerical institutes.

Dominicans, Passionists, Jesuits, Redemptorists, Vincentians, Paulists, etc were founded as clerical institutes. The priesthood is essential to their way of life, because their way of life is built around priestly ministry.

This is not the case with Franciscans. Francis had no particular ministry in mind when he founded his family. He and the early Franciscans did whatever was possible for them to do, each according to his or her gifts. Francis’ strong focus was always on three points: to live the Gospel in obedience, to embrace poverty, and to live as brothers. Outside of that, the brothers and sisters did many different kinds of apostolic works.

There was also an understanding that many people: lay, religious and clergy do not understand about Francis and Franciscans. Priests are not to be singularized. To pull Fr. John out of EWTN to send him to Maine (just an example), because he is a priest and there is a need in Maine, while leaving Brother Joe at EWTN, because he’s not needed in Maine, since he’s not a priest, is to singularize the priest. It makes a statement that is contrary to the Franciscan spirit. “This brother is more useful than that brother.”

It’s contrary to our spirit, because it’s utilitarian. The problem with the friars at EWTN as is the problem with Franciscans around the USA is how we use language and terms. In the USA we use the term “friar”. However, most Americans don’t know what friar means. They think that there are two kinds of friars, priests and permanent brothers. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church in America has traditionally reinforced this misconception. Mother Angelica, being a woman of a certain age, grew up in that era, with the same misconception that there are two kinds of friars. In other words, the term friar became associated with one who lives in a friary as monk is associated with one who lives in a monastery. But this is not true.

It happened the other way around. The house where the friars live is called the friary. The men are not named after the type of house. You can call it anything and the men would still be friars.

Friar comes from the French term, Frere, which comes from Latin, Frater (brother). There are no two kinds of brothers among brothers. There are brothers. Some brothers are priests, Just like some athletes are swimmers and others run marathons. However, they are equally athletes. I may like swimming better than running. That’s my preference. That’s OK too.
 
When speaking of friars you can’t just say that there is a bundle of available priests who should be farmed out. You can’t farm them out, because they are brothers. If you farm them out, you run the risk of doing irreparable damage to the fraternity. The Church between Vatican I and Vatican II almost destroyed Franciscan life.

It did just this. There was a need for priests. Superiors caved to the requests of bishops and began to call forward men for Holy Orders. By the 1960s, 90% of friars were ordained. This was not supposed to happen.

As a result, these men lived and worked as if they were diocesan in Franciscan habits. The non-ordained brothers were labled “lay brothers”, which is a term that appears nowhere in early Franciscan writings. A lay brother is a cooperator brother whose vocation is to provide for the material needs of the community so that the priests can take care of the outside world.

The ordained friars took over the order. Only they could hold office, vote, do formation work, study theology, do such ministries as spiritual direction, preach retreats, teach, preach, and be administrators of our facilities. There were two chapels, separate tables in the dining room for the priests and the lay brothers. Each house had two recreation rooms. Every province had two novitiates running parallel, as if they were joining two religious orders. The lay brothers were not allowed to speak to the ordained unless spoken to first. A brother with 50 years in the order could not address a younger priest.

Priests had access to money, cars, outside friends and were free to miss community functions because they had to hear confessions or celebrate mass, visit with a family in the parish etc. The lay brothers kept the religious life going by continuing the community functions. In everyone’s mind, there was a Franciscan life going on, because 10% of the order was living it.

When Vatican II said that the orders had to return to their origins, the number of ordained Franciscans who left was catastrophic. These men had not joined the order to wash dishes, do their own laundry, but subject to the authority of a lay brother who was now the superior of the house. They were not willing to give up their freedom to come and go. Nor were they willing to return to placing the fraternal life before the apostolic ministry. When told that they had to end confessions by 5:00 and report for community meal, they balked. Let’s face it, the order that they were being asked to live in was the order that Francis founded, not the order that they joined before Vatican II.

Many left. Many stayed whom we feel should not have stayed, because they were miserable and made life miserable for others. Others stayed and sighed a sense of relief because they could relax. They are no longer responsible for every soul that cross their path. They are primarily responsible for their own brothers and the few people whom they serve where they are assigned and they have a fraternal and colleagial relationship with the non-clerical brother or what Francis calls the laics, which is not the same as a lay brother in the Dominican tradition.

There is nothing wrong with being a lay brother, if that’s what you’re community is about and that’s your vocation. There is something wrong, if that’s not what your community is about and if that’s not what the founder had in mind for you.

There is nothing wrong with being a parish priest, if that’s your vocation. There is something terribly wrong, if being a parish priest separates you from your brothers or singularizes you in a way that you’re not supposed to be singualized…

Many fraternities are taking it one step further. No priest may ever refer to himself as Father. He must be either Friar or Brother. Only the superior is Father. This way, there is no distinction among the brothers. When the layman comes to the door and says that he needs to speak to someone, he speaks to the friar who opens the door. If he needs confession, then the brother hears his confession, if he’s a priest or gets a brother priest to do so.

In my community, only the superior is ever called Father. Everyone is Brother. The superior is not a priest. But the laity are not allowed to call him Brother or to call the priests Father. They are gently reminded, each time they make this mistake. They are not used to it. We work among many laymen in our pro-life work, also with a number of priests and sisters. Even the bishop calls the superior Father and the rest of the men Brother. I believe that it’s the Conventual Franciscans who have moved to Friar.

The reason is that if you have everyone by the same title there are not these kinds of discussions and discomforts about the number of priests over here vs the shortage over there.

Religious life takes priority over everything. Some Trappist monasteries have 10 to 20 priests who have never heard confessions, baptized, preached a homily, witnessed a marriage or celebrated a funeral.

I believe that it was Merton who said that the first time he heard a confession he had been a priest for more than 10 years. In those days, they monastery had assigned confessors. You didn’t just hear confessions because you were ordained. The abbot had to give you faculties. He only gave faculties to a small umber of priests among the monks.

We must be very careful when looking at communities like that at EWTN not to do to them what we did to the larger Franciscans from the 19th century to the 20th century and set them up for a catastrophe in the future.

It is the local people’s vocation to promote vocations for their diocese, regardless of how m any priests there may be in a religious house. Finally, remember that the religious houses do not have any ties to bishops or dioceses, unless they are of diocesan right.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Doug Barry interviewed many of the friars on the EWTN Thanksgiving “Life on the Rock” program. The friars explained very thoroughly the vocation to belong to their Order - what is expected, whom they serve, etc. There are 18 brothers, seven of whom are priests, and two novices. If anyone is interested, here is the program.
 
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