New priest tells married gay couple they can not receive communion

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Huh. That is odd.

Well it looks like you, Scooby, and the gang will have it figured out before long. 😃
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I heard a repeat broadcast of Catholic Answers Live this morning,Patrick Coffin confirmed that one of the two men had been a Catholic priest.
Oh, that’s sad. I guess what he meant when saying they ā€œdidn’t knowā€ was simply that they didn’t know this parish would hold them accountable to the Church’s moral teachings.
 
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Oh, that’s sad. I guess what he meant when saying they ā€œdidn’t knowā€ was simply that they didn’t know this parish would hold them accountable to the Church’s moral teachings.
That’s one of the observations Patrick and his guest, Carl Olson made as well. Especially since said former priest has remained very involved with the Church all this while.
 
I personally would not go along with torturing people as was done in the Spanish Inquisition and then handing them over to the state to be burned alive at the stake. I don’t think that a revival of the Inquisition would be a good idea. This is a very painful death, to be burned alive at the stake and is contrary to what the Catholic Church has been teaching today on the advisability of using capital punishment.
 
I personally would not go along with torturing people as was done in the Spanish Inquisition and then handing them over to the state to be burned alive at the stake. I don’t think that a revival of the Inquisition would be a good idea. This is a very painful death, to be burned alive at the stake and is contrary to what the Catholic Church has been teaching today on the advisability of using capital punishment.
Not that I agree with his suggestion, but to be fair, torture is not a inherent, necessary, or integral feature of an inquisition. An inquisition could just be a formal hearing to inquire of a person whether they are preaching heresy.
 
Not that I agree with his suggestion, but to be fair, torture is not a inherent, necessary, or integral feature of an inquisition.
I thought that Pope Innocent IV approved the use of torture (under certain conditions) in the papal bull Ad extirpandum and that the Spanish Inquisition did use torture and that some people who were judged guilty by the Inquisition did end up being burned alive at the stake. I am opposed to burning people alive at the stake and I would not support a revival of the Inquisition. I think it would be wrong to torture people who had a SS attraction and to burn them alive. I can’t agree with reviving the Inquisition. No.
 
As detailed in Karl Keating’s book and I’ve read likewise on this forum, there were a few inquisitions,

Apparently the Spanish Inquisition saw people burned even in the Americas, I’ve seen paintings of such from Mexico but that is not an inquisition from the Vatican.

And unfortunately, back in those days, people were burned at the stake. It does not make it okay but apparently, Protestants did it as well.
 
I thought that Pope Innocent IV approved the use of torture (under certain conditions) in the papal bull Ad extirpandum and that the Spanish Inquisition did use torture and that some people who were judged guilty by the Inquisition did end up being burned alive at the stake. I am opposed to burning people alive at the stake and I would not support a revival of the Inquisition. I think it would be wrong to torture people who had a SS attraction and to burn them alive. I can’t agree with reviving the Inquisition. No.
I don’t think you understood my post. Torture is completely separate from inquisition. The Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition still exists, it’s just called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_pro_14071997_en.html
 
In my opinion this is just another case of the secular press trying to make the Catholic priest look like a bad guy for rightfully withholding communion from them.

However even if they get divorced, (which is goofy since the Church doesn’t recognise either marriage or divorce of same sex couples) they would still be unable to receive communion.

Another case of stupid stories from the media.
 
To the media, the Church is nothing but a country club that’s denying gay people access to club amenities.
 
The Church needs many more priests like this one. You know, I don’t find it so very hard to uphold the teaching of the Church, I just find it difficult when it seems you’re the only one doing it and feeling like you’re being quietly smiled at behind your back for being so old-fashioned. I just wish the hierarchy wasn’t coming across like it’s only supporting this priest because it can’t find a way within canon law to make it all go away.
 
This was memo that was released this week from my Diocese and my Bishop about what is going on.

Date: September 29, 2014
From: Bishop Michael W. Warfel
To: Clergy, Religious, Lay Ecclesial Ministers

"As this memo is being sent out, I’ll likely be on a plane flying toward Europe along with a
group of parishioners and one priest from Eastern Montana. Given some of the
tensions that seem regularly to surface in the Diocese, it’ll be nice to have a break with
a good section of the faithful. We are scheduled to return just in time for the Holy Spirit
School Gala on Saturday, October 11th and the 100th anniversary of St. Mathias in
Ryegate. Before I departed, I thought it would be important to make some comments
with regard to the polarizing situation that has occurred in Lewistown and other areas of
the Diocese.
It’s highly unlikely that people reading this would be unaware of the controversy that has
resulted surrounding the civil marriage to two Catholic men who are parishioners at St.
Leo’s Parish in Lewistown. It is always my preference to address sensitive matters in a
manner in which they do not become public. It unfortunately has become quite public.
There was even an Editorial Opinion piece that referred to this in the New York Times.
Given the very public dimension of the controversy, much as a result of the media’s
reporting of it, a solution that would be in accord with Church teaching and acceptable
to all is unlikely. The public nature of the issue has drawn the notion of theological
scandal to the fore front.
Some people think of scandal as behavior that simply is shocking in its nature. The
Catechism of the Catholic Church states: ā€œScandal is an attitude or behavior which
leads another to do evilā€ and it ā€œā€¦takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority
of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalizedā€ (CCC #2284/85).
Jesus used rather harsh language toward those who, through their actions, lead others
into sin. He said it would be better that they have a millstone tied around their necks
and drowned in the sea (cf. Matt 18:6). That two very well-known and respected
members of the parish as well as the community entered into a civil marriage and that it
has become so public is a matter of scandal. For a bishop simply to ignore this matter,
now that it has become so public, would be in essence to agree with the action and
cause an even greater level of scandal. In my role as teacher, it would be implying to
many people that the teaching of the Church on marriage is seriously in error. At the
same time, it would imply that there is nothing wrong at all with same-sex partners
marrying. It would indicate that same-sex marriages are on par with the millennial held
understanding by Church and society of marriage belonging solely between a man and
a woman. As a Catholic bishop, I simply find it strange that many in our society now
view something that objectively is sinful and so counter to what is taught in Scripture
and our Apostolic tradition as being holy!! Ignored by many is that fact that marriage as
defined by the Church is settled doctrine. As settled doctrine, there may be
development in our understanding, but it is not up for change in its fundamental
definition.
Some would say, it is not fair or it is unjust to deny same-sex partners the civil ā€œrightā€ to
marry. In reality, it is not unjust at all because marriage and same-sex unions are
essentially different realities. Justice actually requires society to maintain its long
standing definition of marriage. To uphold God’s intent for marriage, in which sexual
relations have their proper and exclusive place, is not to offend the dignity of
homosexual persons.
A central issue with many same-sex partners is the social benefits that are received
through marriage. The legal recognition of marriage, including the benefits associated
with it, is not really about the personal commitment of two individuals, but about the
social commitment that husband and father and a wife and a mother make to the wellbeing
of society. For those who are in same-sex unions, some benefits can be obtained
without regard to marital status such as owning property jointly with another and
designating anyone they choose to be a beneficiary of their will or indicating who they
want to make health care decisions in case they become incompetent or sick.

The issue of withholding Communion from two individuals is likely the most neuralgic
factor in the controversy. In trying to think of an analogous example that could cause a
pastor to deny Communion, one might think of an involved Catholic parishioner who
was then ordained as a Protestant minister. They would likely be acting according to
their sense of conscience and they would probably be a very good person, but they
would have broken their communion with the Catholic Church in a very fundamental
way. In a similar way, when someone enters into a public commitment that is deeply in
conflict with a fundamental Catholic teaching, it impacts their communion with the
Church."

The last paragraph is the decision about what they are going to do. I’m glad that Bishop Warfel said what he said. He has released letters about family and contraception and the like throughout the years. I didn’t think he would back down from this after reading some of his other letters.
 
Thank you for posting this. He is indeed absolutely right in denying them communion. They are absolutely wrong for marrying each other.
 
Good for the bishop to stand up for Church teaching and support the priest.
 
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