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I feel like I have learned from the other posts on here, so i will try a new one. One of the basic understandings that we have from Jesus is to see God as our Father. In fact, the term used for Father is Abba, the familiar term. Does Islam have this understanding as well? Do you see God as “Daddy?” I know that we have different types of Muslims on here, so any (name removed by moderator)ut is welcomed.
 
I am not a Muslim, but I will tell you what I know…

No, God is not our “father.” The relationship between God and man is that of a servant or slave.

“(Both) the Jews and the Christians say, ‘We are sons of Allah and His beloved’. Say: why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, you are but men of the men He has created”. Surah 5:18

There is a love relationship, but it is more based on doing Allah’s will than being a “child…”

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No, Islam never referred to Allah as ‘Father’. And neither do muslims.
 
That’s interesting because I have a muslin friend who grew up in Iran and he does refer to God as Father when praying. He says that that is what he was taught to do in the village he lived in.
 
Then why would Jesus, as a prophet, teach us to call God “Father?” Was Jesus is error? Is Jesus right and the Koran is wrong?
 
No, the Bible was corrupted by men. Jesus was not a prophet, but a messenger.
ralphinal said:
Then why would Jesus, as a prophet, teach us to call God “Father?” Was Jesus is error? Is Jesus right and the Koran is wrong?
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Hi

I will quote something from Quan:
[2:198] The months of the Pilgrimage are well known; so whoever determines to perform the Pilgrimage in these months should remember that there is to be no foul talk, nor any transgression, nor any quarrelling during the Pilgrimage. And whatever good you do, Allah knows it. And furnish yourselves with necessary provisions for your journey and surely, the best provision is righteousness. And fear Me alone, O men of understanding.
[2:199] It is no sin for you that you seek the bounty of your Lord. But when you pour forth from Arafat, remember Allah at Mash’ar al-Haram, and remember Him as He has guided you; although, before this, you were of those gone astray.
[2:200] Then pour forth from where the people pour forth, and seek forgiveness from Allah; surely, Allah is most forgiving, Merciful.
[2:201] And when you have performed the acts of worship prescribed for you, celebrate the praises of Allah as you used to celebrate the praises of your fathers, or with even greater devotion. And of men there are some who say, ‘Our Lord grant us good things in this world;’ and such a one shall have no share in the hereafter.
[2:202] And of them there are some who say, 'Our Lord grant us good in this world as well as good in the world to come, and save us from the torment of the fire.
[2:203] For these their shall be a goodly share because of what they have earned. And Allah is swift at reckoning.
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I will quote something from Quan:
[2:198] The months of the Pilgrimage are well known; so whoever determines to perform the Pilgrimage in these months should remember that there is to be no foul talk, nor any transgression, nor any quarrelling during the Pilgrimage. And whatever good you do, Allah knows it. And furnish yourselves with necessary provisions for your journey and surely, the best provision is righteousness. And fear Me alone, O men of understanding.
[2:199] It is no sin for you that you seek the bounty of your Lord. But when you pour forth from Arafat, remember Allah at Mash’ar al-Haram, and remember Him as He has guided you; although, before this, you were of those gone astray.
[2:200] Then pour forth from where the people pour forth, and seek forgiveness from Allah; surely, Allah is most forgiving, Merciful.
[2:201] And when you have performed the acts of worship prescribed for you, celebrate the praises of Allah as you used to celebrate the praises of your fathers, or with even greater devotion. And of men there are some who say, ‘Our Lord grant us good things in this world;’ and such a one shall have no share in the hereafter.
[2:202] And of them there are some who say, 'Our Lord grant us good in this world as well as good in the world to come, and save us from the torment of the fire.
[2:203] For these their shall be a goodly share because of what they have earned. And Allah is swift at reckoning.
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Thanks
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So there is nothing wrong according to Islam with adressing God as “Father” or “Daddy” or understanding Him as such?
 
ralphinal said:
I feel like I have learned from the other posts on here, so i will try a new one. One of the basic understandings that we have from Jesus is to see God as our Father. In fact, the term used for Father is Abba, the familiar term. Does Islam have this understanding as well? Do you see God as “Daddy?” I know that we have different types of Muslims on here, so any (name removed by moderator)ut is welcomed.
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Having consider everything else, this is the most beautiful aspect of Christianity. No, Muslims do not consider God as a father. It is blasphemy for them to call God, Father.

Muslims consider God as the Creator, a Being that is impersonal from a human point of view. This statement may not be accurate. Let hear them say it themselves.

I always feel that Muslims miss on this grace of God of having to call and to experient God as a loving Father. Muslims therefore can never understand what it’s like to know God as a Father. In some of my posts, I do mention that Islam’ understanding of the nature of God is incomplete. And this is one of the reasons.
 
Reuben_J said:
Having consider everything else, this is the most beautiful aspect of Christianity. No, Muslims do not consider God as a father. It is blasphemy for them to call God, Father.

Muslims consider God as the Creator, a Being that is impersonal from a human point of view. This statement may not be accurate. Let hear them say it themselves.

I always feel that Muslims miss on this grace of God of having to call and to experient God as a loving Father. Muslims therefore can never understand what it’s like to know God as a Father. In some of my posts, I do mention that Islam’ understanding of the nature of God is incomplete. And this is one of the reasons.
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I was hoping to get more of our Muslim friends dicsussing this. I agree that it is a beautiful aspect of Christianity.
 
Hi

Every Catholic and Non-Catholic Christian is well aware that Jesus used to talk in parables, but later own they took it literally and physically, many of their beliefs as I understand were misconceived because of such misunderstandings.

Islam/Quran/Muhammad did not want that such a thing should be repeated.

I think it is reasonable.

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paarsurrey said:
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Every Catholic and Non-Catholic Christian is well aware that Jesus used to talk in parables, but later own they took it literally and physically, many of their beliefs as I understand were misconceived because of such misunderstandings.

Islam/Quran/Muhammad did not want that such a thing should be repeated.

I think it is reasonable.

Thanks
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So it is not acceptable? Jesus told us when we pray, pray in this manner “Our Father…” The word used is “Abba” which is informal affectionate for Father (i.e. “Daddy”) This is in Matthew 6:9. That is not a parable. Matthew 6:26 Jesus refers to God as “your heavenly Father” in regards to the care of nature. Not a parable. Matthew 6:32 Jesus talks about “your heavenly Father” knowing what you need. Not a parable. In one chapter of one Gosple, that is three times! None of them are parables. I could find more if you would like.

Which is it? Why woudl Jesus do this if it was unacceptable? Or, perhaps, this is the correct way we should see God.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

Every Catholic and Non-Catholic Christian is well aware that Jesus used to talk in parables, but later own they took it literally and physically, many of their beliefs as I understand were misconceived because of such misunderstandings.

Islam/Quran/Muhammad did not want that such a thing should be repeated.

I think it is reasonable.

Thanks
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Could you provide examples? I don’t think Christians every considered God a physical human father, unless they were heretics. Since God is infinite and eternal he is a mystery to us (not possible to completly know). So we have to speak in parables and analogies. Calling God the Father recognizes the fact that we came from him and the loving relationship he desires we have with him. Similar to a human father. Muslims often get wound around this axle, as well the concept of Jesus being the Son (note the capital S) of God.
 
QuranMerciful.
[2:201] And when you have performed the acts of worship prescribed for you, celebrate the praises of Allah as you used to celebrate the praises of your fathers, or with even greater devotion. And of men there are some who say, ‘Our Lord grant us good things in this world;’ and such a one shall have no share in the hereafter.
[2:202] And of them there are some who say, 'Our Lord grant us good in this world as well as good in the world to come, and save us from the torment of the fire.
[2:203] For these their shall be a goodly share because of what they have earned. And Allah is swift at reckoning.
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Hi

The concept of father is given in Quran as I had already mentioned but it has not been stretched too far so that Oneness of GodAllahYHWH is not impaired .

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paarsurrey said:
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The concept of father is given in Quran as I had already mentioned but it has not been stretched too far so that Oneness of GodAllahYHWH is not impaired .

Thanks
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So there is no problem with calling God “Father” if there is no reference to God the Son? Would this be standard with other sects of Islam?
 
ralphinal said:
So there is no problem with calling God “Father” if there is no reference to God the Son? Would this be standard with other sects of Islam?
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Hi

I quoted from Quran that every Muslim has to believe.

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paarsurrey said:
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I quoted from Quran that every Muslim has to believe.

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You may not know the answer, so some of the other posters might have to jump in, but why would some people say that calling God “father” is considered blasphemy ot at least unacceptable in Islam?
 
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Hi

I quoted from Quran that every Muslim has to believe.

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You may not know the answer, so some of the other posters might have to jump in, but why would some people say that calling God “father” is considered blasphemy ot at least unacceptable in Islam?**

I confess there is no God but Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God Incarnate!

Mahomet (pblt) wishes people to turn to Jesus to avoid eternity in hell with himself.
 
ralphinal said:
So there is nothing wrong according to Islam with adressing God as “Father” or “Daddy” or understanding Him as such?
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I am pretty sure that Sunni or Shia Muslims do not address Allah as Father. Addressing God as Father is a unique Christian concept.
 
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