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[Miserissima]

IRL and online, I tried to explain to someone how EO and RC were both the “one twoo way,” but I’m falling short. The question Congress back to, “how can it be both?”

Any help is appreciated, please. I did try to explain the difference between heresy and schism to no avail.

 

[Lynxdk]

Catholic means Universal.

The word “congress” is also defined as “the action of coming together.”

I asked Yahweh. That’s all they gave me.

Hope it helps =)

Sean

 

[Vico]

IRL and online, I tried to explain to someone how EO and RC were both the “one twoo way,” but I’m falling short. The question Congress back to, “how can it be both?”

Any help is appreciated, please. I did try to explain the difference between heresy and schism to no avail.

They are both validly Apostolic so have a valid Holy Mysteries of Baptism, Chrismation, Eucharist, Penance, Matrimony, Holy Orders, and Anointing of the Sick.

 

[PaulfromIowa]

I tried to explain to someone how EO and RC were both the “one twoo way,” but I’m falling short. The question Congress back to, “how can it be both?”

I am guessing that you meant: The Eastern Orthodox and the Catholic Churches are both the “one true way.” The question comes back to “how can it be both?”

The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches:

Who belongs to the Catholic Church?

836 "All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God. . . . And to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered: the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation."320

837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but ‘in body’ not ‘in heart.’"321

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist."324

The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches could easily be united in joint communion. When that will happen depends largely on political issues.

 

[prodromos]

The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches could easily be united in joint communion. When that will happen depends largely on political issues.

If that were true it would have happened a long time ago.

 

[Miserissima]

I am guessing that you meant: The Eastern Orthodox and the Catholic Churches are both the “one true way.” The question comes back to “how can it be both?”

The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches:

The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches could easily be united in joint communion. When that will happen depends largely on political issues.

Thank you; I was not as articulate as I could have been.

It’s difficult to explain how all of the churches are one.

 

[CDB1718]

The argument relies on Latin philosophy about valid orders and orthodox theology. The west says that salvation only comes through the church so outside the church there is no salvation. They argue that anyone who has valid orders or orthodox theology has them through the Catholic Church through which they function. From a western perspective, the Orthodox are Catholics with valid but illicit sacraments who choose to remain in schism. As they’re acting through the church, they can attain salvation.

The eastern perspective isn’t as well formed to make as detailed an argument. Some Orthodox today try to use the same western view to argue that they are Catholic while Rome isn’t. Most in the East argue that they know where God is, not where He isn’t, and can only be sure He’s in their own church and sacraments while they leave all others to the mercy of God. Some Orthodox today carry this through to it’s logical conclusion, which is similar to the western Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus in that they re-baptize and do not recognize sacraments from outside their church. Many recognize Catholic sacraments like baptism and marriage through economia while some recognize them conditionally.

Eastern Catholics usually fall in the middle, arguing filiation, unity, and apostolic origins. If pushed, they elaborate with Eastern theology on the energies of God and with western documents recognizing God’s active work in the Orthodox Churches, showing how there is no need for separation.