New R.C. Missal Expected by Advent 2011

[MsSunflowers]

Good Evening Everyone…

Do hope I am on the correct page to ask this Question ?

Can some tell me if the New Missal that is expected to be available by Advent 2011
in the USA and hopefully here in Canada going to be a Daily Missal or just a Sunday Missal ? .
Will it be available in English only or with the Latin text ?

I have tried everywhere to find some answers but to no avail as yet?

For many years I used to have the the Roman Missal 196. It was a Daily Missal
and was available in both English & Latin text. It was the best one so far.

Thank you and look forward to reading your notes.

God Bless Ya
Sandra

 

[lampstand]

The Midwest Theological Forum, I think it was, had an English “preliminary” copy, a rough edition where it outlines much of the material, although it is not the exact version that will be coming out this Advent. It was just a book to give people some simple guidelines as to what to expect, sort of to help them get ready for what was going to happen in their parishes. I think you can go to their site and see what they’ll be coming out with in the later printing. They also had a full-page ad for the complete text to come. I hope that helps.

 

[MarkThompson]

Good Evening Everyone…

Do hope I am on the correct page to ask this Question ?

Can some tell me if the New Missal that is expected to be available by Advent 2011
in the USA and hopefully here in Canada going to be a Daily Missal or just a Sunday Missal ? .
Will it be available in English only or with the Latin text ?

I have tried everywhere to find some answers but to no avail as yet?

For many years I used to have the the Roman Missal 196. It was a Daily Missal
and was available in both English & Latin text. It was the best one so far.

Thank you and look forward to reading your notes.

God Bless Ya
Sandra

There are two types of things that can be called “the Missal”:

1. 
   *]The Missale Romanum, or Roman Missal. This is a book for priests to own and celebrate Mass from. It contains the definitive texts of the Mass, it is permanent (you do not need a new one every year), and it is what people are really talking about when they discuss “the new missal.” The Roman Missal does not contain the readings, which are in a book called the Lectionary.
   
   *]Hand missals published by companies for normal people to use at Mass. These can contain the readings, extra prayers for people to say as devotions before Mass, and whatever else the publisher things people would like. Despite the name, your “Roman Missal 196_” was one of these missals for private use, since the official Roman Missal (currently called the Sacramentary) is not available in the format you describe.
   
   The Roman Missal will be available in English only, although I have heard vaguely that some publisher was seeking permission to print one with the English and Latin on facing pages. It is “daily” in the sense that every Mass, every day, is to be said out of the Roman Missal.
   
   For private hand missals, it really depends on what publishers put out. I doubt that anything will be available before October. You might consider a one-year subscription to Magnifican Magazine, which is actually a monthly missal, sort of like a missallette. I’ve never used it, but people seem to like it. I just don’t think you’ll want to buy a hardbound version of whatever comes out in the very first print run in October. I’d give it a year as publishers get there feet under them and you can read reviews of the new missals they come out with.

 

[corsair]

Well, I don’t intend on buying a missalette for the Ordinary Form as I’m sure people like OCP will be “johnny-on-the-spot” with their missalettes as before. I mean, who can compete with them considering the deal they foist on parishes. Che…, sorry; inexpensive. Where else can you find such a bargin at less than $3.00 a copy for the pews. And the art work is “something-else”.

 

[MarkThompson]

Well, I don’t intend on buying a missalette for the Ordinary Form as I’m sure people like OCP will be “johnny-on-the-spot” with their missalettes as before. I mean, who can compete with them considering the deal they foist on parishes. Che…, sorry; inexpensive. Where else can you find such a bargin at less than $3.00 a copy for the pews. And the art work is “something-else”.

If that was in answer to me, my understanding is that Magnificat bears very little in common to an OCP missallette. I think they have daily prayers from the Liturgy of the Hours and other traditional devotions for prayer outside of Mass; I don’t think they include a section of hymns at all. I’m only suggesting that the OP might not want to buy one of the first missals right out of the gate.

 

[5Loaves]

The USCCB has a significant amount of material on their site about theThe Roman Missal, Third Edition.
It looks like English speaking Canada will use the Edition being publish in the US. You might check the website of your diocese. I see that the ARCHDIOCESE OF KINGSTON website talks about Workshops for Musicians and Workshops for Parishes To be announced soon.

Note in the USCCB FAQ

7. When will the text of the new translation be used for the first time in liturgical celebrations?
The texts of the Order of Mass have been made available for catechetical purposes, but the full text of the Missal will not be available for use in the Liturgy until the first Sunday of Advent 2011 (November 27, 2011). **The bishops have asked that all wait until that day to use the text in liturgical celebrations in order to avoid unnecessary confusion and to allow the maximum amount of catechetical time available. * **Cards and other participation aids containing the responses of the people will be available for use during the transition, but it is hoped that within a year’s time the people will become freed from the use of such cards.

I’ve heard this on Catholic radio, that the request is to not have the missals available until the use begins at Advent.

BTW MarkThompson mentions Magnificat Magazine. Those who subscribe to the Magnificat might note that the Jan., Feb., Mar., and Apr. issues all have teachings about the new translation in the very front of the Magazine.

*Here’s hoping that in this “maximum amount of catechetical time” the catechesis will commence soon in my Latin Deanery. I’ve seen nothing in any parish bulletins, including the Cathedral’s, except for the initial mention months ago that the new Edition will be implemented at the beginning of the new Liturgical year for the Latin Church, i.e. the first Sunday of Advent. I took a workshop for musicians a number of months ago but nothing else has been available here.

 

[Phemie]

The last thing I had seen from my Bishop, sometime last fall before he was transferred to another diocese, said that in Canada the GIRM would likely be implemented for Lent and the new translation in Advent 2011. Since then, nothing. There was a workshop for musicians to introduce 3 new settings but I’m not sure how clear that was since afterwards I got a phone call from the Director of Music asking if she could start using those settings right away.

The CCCB has been silent on the topic since the May 2010 announcement of the definitive translation, save for one announcement saying something to the effect that “The US has announced implementation for Advent 2011 and people are calling us. We’re not the US, we haven’t got what we want from Rome yet so don’t call us, we’ll call you.”

 

[laszlo]

The new English translation of the Missal

• will be available (as printed copy) in October
• it is the full Missal, Sundays, and weekdays, propers of saints
• it is English only, the Latin equivalent is from 2002
• in the use it should be used beginning the first Sunday of Advent

 

[puzzleannie]

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For private hand missals, it really depends on what publishers put out. I doubt that anything will be available before October. You might consider a one-year subscription to Magnifican Magazine, which is actually a monthly missal, sort of like a missallette. I’ve never used it, but people seem to like it. I just don’t think you’ll want to buy a hardbound version of whatever comes out in the very first print run in October. I’d give it a year as publishers get there feet under them and you can read reviews of the new missals they come out with.

I agree with this, don’t be too quick to buy a new hardcover personal daily Missal as every time there are changes the publishers have a shake down period before they get it right

the Sunday and Daily annuals from St. Joseph are good low cost alternatives, but if all you really use your current missal for are the readings, keep it and use it.

another resources is Word Among Us wau.org

all of these are based on the US Lectionary

Living Word has a Canada edition of their Daily Mass guide from Novalis, you will see it advertised in Catholic Digest. Subscribe to this for a year while changes are being implemented before you invest in something permanent.

 

[ProVobis]

Will it be available in English only or with the Latin text ?

I have tried everywhere to find some answers but to no avail as yet?

For many years I used to have the the Roman Missal 196. It was a Daily Missal
and was available in both English & Latin text. It was the best one so far.

Thank you and look forward to reading your notes.

It’s a wonder to me why the Latin isn’t published along with the translation. After all, the Latin, unlike the translation, is generally in the public domain and in no need of getting special approval for, either in publishing it or using it in the liturgy. Space would be my guess for not including the Latin, though IMO it’s a rather lame excuse.

 

[laszlo]

It’s a wonder to me why the Latin isn’t published along with the translation. After all, the Latin, unlike the translation, is generally in the public domain and in no need of getting special approval for, either in publishing it or using it in the liturgy. Space would be my guess for not including the Latin, though IMO it’s a rather lame excuse.

The text is copyrighted

(c) " Copyright " apud Administrationem Patrimonii Sedis Apostolicae in Civitate Vaticana
Venditio operis fit cura Librariae Editricis Vaticanae (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, Città del Vaticano)

and they take it so seriously, that not even continuous reprintable pdf or other form is available

clerus.org/bibliaclerusonline/en/t4.htm

 

[ProVobis]

The text is copyrighted

You’re confusing things here. There are various copyrights associated with PRINTED material. The writer (or the writing committee) has the initial right to his/its work. If he chooses to sell to a publisher, then the publisher has copyrights on the published material. Or the publisher may decide to print things like musical scores from the public domain material, such as JS Bach’s music, for example. But any such printed material means you can’t xerox it without permission from the publisher. My understanding is that the Church has allowed the Latin liturgical texts into the public domain (unless I was misinformed), though one is still prohibited from xeroxing or copying any of the publications of it, especially when using same in the liturgy. And as far as I know, the ICEL still has rights on the translations which means any publications of them have to be approved by the ICEL. In addition the publishers of that translation can slap on their own copyrights. So one is prohibited in using the ICEL (or any other translation) until all the copyrighted issues are settled with the various parishes and bishops. The copyrighters themselves have to be careful of plagiarism from other churches or Bibles.

I took graduate business courses with a couple of priests and have written my own software so I think I know a little about copyright laws.

Interestingly enough, where I attend the EF, the priest has recently dropped reciting the Epistle and Gospel in the vernacular. Instead he distributes handouts of the propers. He didn’t give reasons for it, but I have a suspicion it had something to do with not wanting to commit any copyright infringements.

 

[5Loaves]

The CCCB has been silent on the topic since the May 2010 announcement of the definitive translation, save for one announcement saying something to the effect that “The US has announced implementation for Advent 2011 and people are calling us. We’re not the US, we haven’t got what we want from Rome yet so don’t call us, we’ll call you.”

Sounds like what is in the link I provided, which is a Sept 2010.

It looks like English speaking Canada will use the Edition being publish in the US.

 

[Phemie]

Sounds like what is in the link I provided, which is a Sept 2010.

Yes, that was the statement. I doubt that we would be using the US edition of the Roman Missal because I doubt they would have Marguerite Bourgeois, Marguerite d’Youville, the Canadian Martyrs, etc in theirs. We have quite different Sacramentaries now.

 

[laszlo]

You’re confusing things here.

I am old fasioned. Same words legally mean the same thing. And since the printing is printing the Church does not want unauthorized copies, so demand the right to the control the copies = copyright.

I hate to say you, but the main problem with any ‘ISM’ is to rewrite the meaning of the words according to their interest.

 

[Phemie]

Originally Posted by 5Loaves

We both missed the latest announcement, on Friday:
** Revised English version of the Roman Missal for Canada* * **

The Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops (CCCB) has received recognitio for all sections of the English translation of the revised Roman Missal for use in Canada. The Permanent Council has agreed that the first Sunday of Advent, November 27, 2011, will be the date for the implementation of the English translation of the Missal. The official decree for this date has not yet been published, because our Conference is still clarifying the exact wording of one of the adaptations for Canada.

 

[ProVobis]

I hate to say you, but the main problem with any ‘ISM’ is to rewrite the meaning of the words according to their interest.

Plagiarism is stealing someone else’s intellectual work, whether published or not. If anything our society has permitted too much of it. At the very least the source should be specified when quoting someone else or even using his ideas. It might not hold up in a court of law but it at least it provides a viable defense.