New Recommendation for Child Car Seat Positions

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All of the arguments for rear facing seats seems to apply only to front end collisions. In this type of accident, the child is pushed into the back of the seat where they are supported. In this respect, they are better.

In a rear-end collision, the forward facing seats are better for the exact same reasons. The initial impact will push the child into the back of the seat where they are supported.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I have never rear-ended anyone but have been rear-ended at least 10 times in my 15+ years of driving. Most of them early on but as I get better at driving, I feel less likely to hit someone than to be hit.
 
All of the arguments for rear facing seats seems to apply only to front end collisions. In this type of accident, the child is pushed into the back of the seat where they are supported. In this respect, they are better.

In a rear-end collision, the forward facing seats are better for the exact same reasons. The initial impact will push the child into the back of the seat where they are supported.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I have never rear-ended anyone but have been rear-ended at least 10 times in my 15+ years of driving. Most of them early on but as I get better at driving, I feel less likely to hit someone than to be hit.
Except head on collisions are far more dangerous. In rear end collisions both cars are driving in the same direction. So while the car is thrown forward it’s already traveling in that direction. In head on collisions the cars are traveling in opposite directions so the force of the accident is far greater.
 
Rear-facing car seats up to age four?!? I can’t imagine how that would work unless you have really tiny children. Where do their legs go? :confused:
 
Rear-facing car seats up to age four?!? I can’t imagine how that would work unless you have really tiny children. Where do their legs go? :confused:
I wonder too. As is it now, aren’t you supposed to turn them forward at the latest when their feet touch the back of the seat? One of the commenters on the article insisted that her 3 y/o’s legs weren’t “up in her face”, but I can’t imagine where else they would go, except resting on top of the back of the seat in front of them, or dangling over the sides of the seat? I can’t imagine either of those scenarios being safe, either.

Another thing (and this could be just my paranoid mind conjuring up conspiracy theories :p), but, there are already so many reasons society gives not to have more than 2 kids, this just adds another: not being able to afford more than 2 (super expensive that a 3 y/o will fit in) car seats, or a car large enough to hold more than 2 rear facing seats. Plus, the added stress of dealing w/ a child who doesn’t want to rear face, in addition to dealing w/ the older child who resents riding to elementary school in a booster seat b/c she’s not 4 feet 9 inches yet (going through this right now, everyday we have the argument, (even though all of her classmates are also in boosters, so it’s not like she’s being made fun of or anything 🤷), and the kid still has a foot to grow, so I’ll be dealing w/ it for awhile yet!), adds up to “I can’t emotionally handle more than 2 kids!”.

And that, my friends, is where my paranoid mind can take me if I let it wander ;).

Seriously, though, we all want to keep our kids as safe as possible, and accidents happen, and we should try to prevent them if we can, but sometimes things go so far as to no longer be realistic for a lot of families, kwim?

In Christ,

Ellen
 
Hard or panic braking can also throw people and objects around inside a car. Additionally, hard or panic braking occurs far more often than any kind of collision.

Many studies have shown that rear-facing seats, even for adults, are much safer than front facing seats in any type of a collision. This fact was established decades ago by the NTSB in reviewing both aircraft and bus crashes. Therefore, cars would be dramatically safer if all seats were rear-facing. However, that makes actually driving a tad challenging. 😛
 
And that, my friends, is where my paranoid mind can take me if I let it wander ;).
Woah.
You weren’t kidding.
It was weird reading that…like there’s a stenographer in MY brain.
Trippy.

And, yeah, rear facing to 4? Where do the kids legs go?
 
Hard or panic braking can also throw people and objects around inside a car. Additionally, hard or panic braking occurs far more often than any kind of collision.

Many studies have shown that rear-facing seats, even for adults, are much safer than front facing seats in any type of a collision. This fact was established decades ago by the NTSB in reviewing both aircraft and bus crashes. Therefore, cars would be dramatically safer if all seats were rear-facing. However, that makes actually driving a tad challenging. 😛
Agreed! I’m a firefighter and we ride backwards (in the ambulance too). Wanna know why?? Cause rear facing is THAT much safer.

My own kids rear face until age 4. Yes they fit. All seats in the US rear face to 30-40 lbs. In fact Graco just came out with the very first seat this month to rear face to 40 lbs. Knees bent are NOT a reason to turn a child forward facing. It could be a deadly mistake.

The recommendations have changed and all safety experts including the American Academy of Pediatrics recommed rear facing to the limits of the seat (in the US 30-40 lbs).

In Sweden they rear face to age 4-6 and have the lowest vehicle fatality rate in the world. In the US it’s the #1 killer of kids.

There have NEVER been any documented cases of leg injuries while rear facing but plenty of neck AND Leg injuries while forward facing.

I am a certified car seat tech who also happens to be an EMT. I also happened to do CPR to a 2 year old boy who is dead from a car accident. The coroner ruled he’d be alive today had he been rear facing. He died of something called internal decapitation, a fatal injury that is caused by foward facing.

here are some links on why rear facing is so important. Like I said, I keep my own kids rear facing until age 4. I will NEVER risk that with my child.

youtube.com/watch?v=Y2DVfqFhseo

True story that happened this year
youtube.com/watch?v=Q8gU9zzCGA8

cpsafety.com/articles/stayrearfacing.aspx

Pictures of older/large kids up to age 5 rear facing to see what they look like (trust me I was baffled at first before I knew better too!)
cpsafety.com/articles/RFAlbum.aspx

Hope that helps!
 
I wonder too. As is it now, aren’t you supposed to turn them forward at the latest when their feet touch the back of the seat? One of the commenters on the article insisted that her 3 y/o’s legs weren’t “up in her face”, but I can’t imagine where else they would go, except resting on top of the back of the seat in front of them, or dangling over the sides of the seat? I can’t imagine either of those scenarios being safe, either.

Another thing (and this could be just my paranoid mind conjuring up conspiracy theories :p), but, there are already so many reasons society gives not to have more than 2 kids, this just adds another: not being able to afford more than 2 (super expensive that a 3 y/o will fit in) car seats, or a car large enough to hold more than 2 rear facing seats. Plus, the added stress of dealing w/ a child who doesn’t want to rear face, in addition to dealing w/ the older child who resents riding to elementary school in a booster seat b/c she’s not 4 feet 9 inches yet (going through this right now, everyday we have the argument, (even though all of her classmates are also in boosters, so it’s not like she’s being made fun of or anything 🤷), and the kid still has a foot to grow, so I’ll be dealing w/ it for awhile yet!), adds up to “I can’t emotionally handle more than 2 kids!”.

And that, my friends, is where my paranoid mind can take me if I let it wander ;).

Seriously, though, we all want to keep our kids as safe as possible, and accidents happen, and we should try to prevent them if we can, but sometimes things go so far as to no longer be realistic for a lot of families, kwim?

In Christ,

Ellen
There are numerous seats as low as $50 that can keep a child rear facing until age 2-3. The Cosco Scenera is one of the cheapest seats on the market that does this. You can get $300 seats, but a $50 seat does the job as well. There is nothing “extra” to buy to do this. You get an infant seat if you want at first. THen you get a convertible and use it backwards. When they are too big to rear face you turn the same seat around to forward face. Then you use a booster when that’s outgrown. Or you skip the infant seat, use a rear facing convertible until age 2-3. Then turn it foward (nothing else to buy) and use that until big enough for a booster.

As for a child who “doesn’t want to rear face” …If they don’t know different, they don’t want different. My 4 year old has never even noticed that other kids ride differently than her. This is the way she rides. She has never questioned it. And as the parent, it is your job to teach that child what is acceptable or not. My child is told she is rear facing because I love her and want her safe. That’s good enough for her. When/if she does question it, I will let her know that her seats fits her rearfacing and when she is too big, she will be turned forward.

its not about paranoia. It’s about doing something SIMPLE to protect your child. Keeping your child rear facing does not require any extra work on your part. All we are asking is parents to strive for age 2. That’s not that much longer than age 1. We have 3 rear facing seats in a ford taurus and do just fine 🙂 We have 3 in a minivan and do just fine 🙂 Fitting two rear facing seats in a car is no different than fitting two forward facing seats in a car. I have 3 right now and do just fine.I am not sure why everyone is so eager to turn their child forward facing. Some look to it as a great milestone. It’s not. It should be dreaded. You increase your child’s chance of injury or death by 500% during a collision if you turn them forward facing,

Personally, I wanna wait as long as possible to increase their chance of injury but that’s just me
 
This is good information, and I think that parents should prayerfully consider what is best for their child when deciding when to switch to a forward-facing car seat.

My husband and I discussed this with our pediatrician and decided to switch to forward-facing for our son not long after his first birthday. He was desperately screaming and trying to turn over to see us every time we bucked him into his rear-facing car seat, and he would furiously kick the seat in frustration. If he wasn’t throwing a fit, he was “zoning out” and falling asleep, which would then disrupt his entire daily schedule.

We switched to a forward-facing seat, buckled in the middle of the back seat (with one child, we have that luxury), so our son can see us and the road. Now we have lively discussions in the car and he stays alert. He seems to stay engaged better when he can see me or my husband, rather than talking to us over his shoulder.

It was the decision that was right for our family.
 
There are numerous seats as low as $50 that can keep a child rear facing until age 2-3. The Cosco Scenera is one of the cheapest seats on the market that does this. You can get $300 seats, but a $50 seat does the job as well. There is nothing “extra” to buy to do this. You get an infant seat if you want at first. THen you get a convertible and use it backwards. When they are too big to rear face you turn the same seat around to forward face. Then you use a booster when that’s outgrown. Or you skip the infant seat, use a rear facing convertible until age 2-3. Then turn it foward (nothing else to buy) and use that until big enough for a booster.

As for a child who “doesn’t want to rear face” …If they don’t know different, they don’t want different. My 4 year old has never even noticed that other kids ride differently than her. This is the way she rides. She has never questioned it. And as the parent, it is your job to teach that child what is acceptable or not. My child is told she is rear facing because I love her and want her safe. That’s good enough for her. When/if she does question it, I will let her know that her seats fits her rearfacing and when she is too big, she will be turned forward.

its not about paranoia. It’s about doing something SIMPLE to protect your child. Keeping your child rear facing does not require any extra work on your part. All we are asking is parents to strive for age 2. That’s not that much longer than age 1. We have 3 rear facing seats in a ford taurus and do just fine 🙂 We have 3 in a minivan and do just fine 🙂 Fitting two rear facing seats in a car is no different than fitting two forward facing seats in a car. I have 3 right now and do just fine.I am not sure why everyone is so eager to turn their child forward facing. Some look to it as a great milestone. It’s not. It should be dreaded. You increase your child’s chance of injury or death by 500% during a collision if you turn them forward facing,

Personally, I wanna wait as long as possible to increase their chance of injury but that’s just me
That’s what I did, and my kids rear face until age 2 (my nearly three y/o was over 2, as she’s smaller than the others). But this article is saying 4, and my 4 y/o weighs over 40 pounds. And I also wasn’t suggesting that you turn a kid around (or give up a booster, whatever the case may be), because they are throwing fits, I was just mentioning the stress of that, and how it can wear on a parent, and cause a family to not have as large a family as they would have otherwise, due to the stress (hence my paranoid conspiracy theory!).

As for the U.S. auto fatality rate compared to other countries, I wonder if the fact that so many people don’t use car seats at all, or even seat belts, contributes to that statistic? (and I’m sure you know how frustrating it is to see an SUV w/ a bunch of kids jumping around the back, not a safety seat in sight, and of course no police officer around to even give them a ticket!). We’re an “independent-no-ones-gonna-tell-me-what-to-do-this-is-America” type society. I mean, look how hard it is to get motorcycle helmet laws passed? I’m not saying it’s right, but it is what it is.

In Christ,

Ellen
 
As for the U.S. auto fatality rate compared to other countries, I wonder if the fact that so many people don’t use car seats at all, or even seat belts, contributes to that statistic? (and I’m sure you know how frustrating it is to see an SUV w/ a bunch of kids jumping around the back, not a safety seat in sight, and of course no police officer around to even give them a ticket!). We’re an “independent-no-ones-gonna-tell-me-what-to-do-this-is-America” type society. I mean, look how hard it is to get motorcycle helmet laws passed? I’m not saying it’s right, but it is what it is.

In Christ,

Ellen
Great job keeping your kids rear facing so long! That’s amazing! We rarely if ever see anyone past age 1 so I’m glad to see here 🙂

You are correct. The US fatality rate is so high because of misuse or non use of child car seats, boosters, and seat belts. However, they have found in other countries with great car seat usage, that rear facing still provides a much needed benefit that lowers those numbers even more.

As for the article mentioning age 4. Let me explain that better. When a child is young, their vertebrae are not fused together. They can stretch. In fact they can stretch up to 3-5 inches. The fragile spinal cord inside can only stretch 1/4 of an inch (see joelsjourney.org). In a car accident when a child is forward facing, the straps hold the child’s body back but the heavy head is thrown violently forward (same as adults but more pronounced due to how heavy their head is in relation to their body). The spinal column bones continue to stretch those 3-5 inches. But the spinal cord breaks after 1/4 an inch. This is called internal decapitation. There doesn’t seem to be a rhyme or reason to when this happens. The child I referenced who was 2 and died of internal decapitation in a car accident was properly restrained forward facing. It was a “minor” accident at about 25mph with no other injuries. It seems to have happened to all ages (including adults) from 15mph crashes up to 90 mph crashes. Yet, there also have been young children forward facing at 40mph head on crashes who don’t suffer it. They have yet to figure out what causes it exactly other than some seem more susceptible to it.

Anyways…back to my blabbing. These vetebrae that stretch so far causing fatal spinal cord severing start to fuse between ages 3-6. Sometime between this age range, they fuse and harden and no longer can stretch that far. Only a little bit. This considerably gets rid of the risk of internal decaptiation. There is always a risk, even in adults, but it lessens considerably especially for those low speed crashes.

Since there is no way to tell when in that age range of 3-6 this harnedning and fusing occurs, we want parents to get as far into the age range as possible. That is why my own children rear face until age 4. It is also looking at Sweden’s statistics who has routinely rear faced until age 4-6 since the 1960’s. The data seems to show right around age 4 seems to be the sudden drop in spinal cord injuries and deaths while forward facing.

I believe these two components is why the article stated age 4.

However, as car seat techs we don’t really think they went about it the right away. The US recommendations are to rear face as long as possible. Until they outgrow the rear facing seat by weight (35-40 lbs) or their head is within an inch of the top of the carseat. Depending on the carseat, the majority of children can get to age 3. With certain seats (2 I can think of) the majority of kid can get to 4 or so. It’s not a great idea to tell a parent an age because what if their kid hits the weight limit at age 2? That parent will feel horrible they couldn’t get to “what was recommended.” Thats is why we recommend “rear facing until the child no longer fits by height or weight, whichever comes first.”.

My 4 year old is average sized height wise but skinny. She is 40" though which is a normal 4 year old height. She still fits in the seat we have with atleast 2 inches to spare to grow. Even if she were a normal 50-75% weight, she’d still fit by weight. Most kids don’t hit 35 lbs until around age 3 or so. My younger child is a normal weight and height. She is 26 months, 30 lbs and 36". Pretty much 50-60% for height and weight. She has TONS of room to grow rear facing in her Graco seat and her Britax seat. One is cheaper, one is more expensive. Both protect her the same with the same amount of growing room. The Graco seat does offer rear facing until 40 lbs meaning if she gains quickly I get that extra protection.

So the article is flawed in that way. There is no “magical” age. Seats in the US don’t always accomodate to age 4 rear facing. Swedish seats are built differently and give extra leg room and US seats don’t (again, legs don’t matter but squished legs freak out parents and it’s the #1 reason parents won’t rear face) so it’d be nice if they brought them here. They also rear face up to 55 lbs on their seats and here it is 40 lbs max. So with the shorter seats, 40 lb max and less leg room, age 4 in the US isn’t always realistic. That is why we tell parents to just strive to age 2. It seems to sit better with parents 🙂

That being said, the average US convertible seat whether it’s $50 or $300 will fit most kids rear facing up to age 3. There are several that will fit way beyond.

I hope this explains why they chose that high age. Car seat advocates have known for years this is safer and have done it for years on their own children. It seems it is finally getting out to the general public and that is why it is suddenly talked about. But rest assured, it’s nothing new. It’s been recommended by the AAP since 2002 🙂 It’s just getting into mainstream media finally is all.

I hope that helps explain things!
 
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