New "revised edition " of Benedictine Daily Prayer

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Anyone had an opportunity to look at this? I’d love to hear thoughts.

I used the original for a long time and quite liked it, but the awful collects finally got to be too much for me. I know they’ve changed the collects in the new edition (although they still are not the ones from the Roman office, new or old).

Link:litpress.org/Products/3702/benedictine-daily-prayer
 
According to the link, the compiler and editor is an ordained Lutheran pastor? Why not simply pray the Liturgy of the Hours?
 
I prayed the Liturgy of the Hours for years. I am intimately familiar with it, with the GILH, and with the relevant Church law. I have all the usual objections to the Liturgy of the Hours, and do not feel the need to justify them further here.

Shall I assume you have not seen the book I referenced, and are unable to answer my questions?
 
According to the link, the compiler and editor is an ordained Lutheran pastor? Why not simply pray the Liturgy of the Hours?
I was thinking the same thing- I have prayed the liturgy of the hours for close to 20 years and it has been one of the great blessings of my life
 
“Benedictine Daily Prayer” was also compiled and edited by the monks at St. John’s Abbey - Catholic - where Dr. Johnson is an oblate. I think it is safe to assume that Benedictine monks know a thing or two about the topic of Benedictine daily prayer.

Dr. Johnson is a respected theologian and a professor of Liturgical Studies at Notre Dame. Just because he was ordained in the Lutheran Church doesn’t make his work any less credible. He is highly respected among his peers, both Catholic and non-Catholic alike.

theology.nd.edu/people/faculty/maxwell-johnson/

-Tim-
 
“Benedictine Daily Prayer” was also compiled and edited by the monks at St. John’s Abbey - Catholic - where Dr. Johnson is an oblate. **I think it is safe to assume that Benedictine monks know a thing or two about the topic of Benedictine daily prayer.
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Dr. Johnson is a respected theologian and a professor of Liturgical Studies at Notre Dame. Just because he was ordained in the Lutheran Church doesn’t make his work any less credible. He is highly respected among his peers, both Catholic and non-Catholic alike.

theology.nd.edu/people/faculty/maxwell-johnson/

-Tim-
Then answer me this-- do the monks use it? I believe they use the LOTH.

Just because the monks publish something does not ensure it is a good thing.
 
“The Psalms: an inclusive language version”

No, I have not seen the book, but from that acknowledgment alone, I know well to steer clear from it.

The English Liturgy of the Hours may still be translated according to the old principles in place in the 1970s, but it retains full ecclesiastical approval and no inclusive language AND remains the official prayer of the Catholic Church.

I think my choice is clear.
 
Then answer me this-- do the monks use it? I believe they use the LOTH.

Just because the monks publish something does not ensure it is a good thing.
How do I know what the monks use?

I trust Benedictine monks and a Phd from Notre Dame before I trust a bunch of random Catholics behind a keyboard on the internet, that’s for sure.

Suit yourself. Do whatever makes you happy. No one on this thread except the OP has even seen the book however, so I don’t understand how everyone can be so quick to condemn.

-Tim-
 
Then answer me this-- do the monks use it? I believe they use the LOTH.

Just because the monks publish something does not ensure it is a good thing.
No they most certainly do not. In fact monks need special permission to use the LOTH and not the Benedictine schema used at their abbey, except when traveling outside their abbey. Each abbey has their own Divine Office schema. There are 4 published ones, starting with the original schema of St. Benedict which recites 255 psalms a week with repetitions. This is much heavier than the LOTH, and these schemas are fully approved, licit, and adapted to post-Vatican II (liturgical years, same collects as the LOTH, etc.)

I have the first edition BDP. I don’t use it because of the language (not because it’s inclusive, but because I don’t pray in English; I prefer French and Latin for liturgy, as French is my native language as I know the formulae to chant the psalms in both those languages but not in English).

I also don’t understand why the author(s) didn’t simply tie it with the Liturgy of the Hours for the collects. It would have made the prayer “liturgical” because it is possible to pray another Office than the LOTH and be “liturgical”. Benedictine Offices are usually much fuller than the Roman LOTH, and an abridged version of a monastic Office could easily be approved by the abbot. We have such an abridged breviary for oblates of our abbey, but it uses official collects.

A point about the “inclusive psalms”. St. John’s Abbey in Collegeville uses the same translation. It is important to note that in the Benedictine world, the abbot has the right to legislate liturgical matters in his abbey. In addition the order is of Pontifical Right, and as such, the abbot is not bound by the liturgical norms set by the local college of bishops. Therefore the use or not of these psalms would generally be approved by the head of the congregation, which at least 14 years ago, was also the abbot of St. John’s. One may not like that choice, but it remains an internal matter for the community to regulate, and I think it would be safe to assume that St. John’s has the necessary authority and/or approvals for the schema used, perhaps by indult from Rome. There are many Benedictine communities using an inclusive-language psalter. One must always remember, that a Benedictine community regulates liturgical matters for the benefit of its own community and not the laity, though the laity are generally invited to participate in both their Divine Office and conventual Mass.

I do also know that BDP uses the St. John Abbey lectionary for instance, for the readings for Vigils and that is a licit option since it is in use for that abbey. The second reading is also biblical and not patristic , as is the practice at St. John’s. Both readings at this time are from the book of Revelations and Acts. In the 2-year general lectionary Revelations is read in Year 1 and Acts in Year 2. So it for St. John’s it’s a bit of a 2 for 1, though the sequence is not quite identical to the general 2-year.

I like the changes announced to the new edition. It sounds like the traditional Benedictine schema but split over two weeks instead of one. Even some abbeys do that. The liturgical minimum for Benedictines is a 2-week schema, with those involved in external apostolates (teaching, staffing parishes, etc.) able to use the Roman LOTH with permission; and monks traveling can use the Roman LOTH as well.

I can understand why an oblate would prefer a different Office from the LOTH. There are some things about the LOTH that I dislike as well (although there are also things I very much like about it and that are drawn from Benedictine tradition), and when I can find the time I pray the schema of our own abbey but spread over two weeks, which is a licit and approved option detailed in the General Instructions of the Monastic Liturgy of the Hours for Schema B.

So all that to say that one must be careful in saying that something not identical to the LOTH is “non-liturgical”. With the same collects, proper Gospel canticles, commons, etc., this breviary could be liturgical, and it’s a bit of a pity the editor didn’t go that extra mile. Our own Schema B breviary at our abbey does follow the LOTH for its collects except for those saints and feasts that are proper to the Benedictine calendar. One thing that I also learned from my exposure to the Benedictine world, and my travel to various monasteries in Canada and Europe, is that there is a considerable variety in each place’s Divine Office, with different schemas used besides the 4 published ones, and also much variety within the same schema. For instance the schema used by my abbey is also used by a small abbey in Paris (only 4 permanent monks, but with lots of visiting monks at any given time), but on a two week schema with Vigils and Compline combined into one office in the evening. I’ve learned one need a very open mind when it comes to Benedictine Liturgy and not be bound by fixed ideas about what one thinks it should be.

Footnote: the Cistercians of both observances operate on similar principles, and the Carthusians also don’t use the LOTH, their Carthusian schema is based on the original schema of St. Benedict.
 
Thanks for the information.

What I’m getting from this is that local Benedictine communities have a certain regulatory authority within themselves.

That being said, how does that apply to selling to the “world-at-large” on Amazon, etc?
 
Thanks for the information.

What I’m getting from this is that local Benedictine communities have a certain regulatory authority within themselves.

That being said, how does that apply to selling to the “world-at-large” on Amazon, etc?
Yes, exactly they can regulate their own Office. I read over the GIMLH yesterday and what it says about the LOTH is that a community can adopt it for “particular reasons”, and outside the abbey a monk engaged in apostolic work (education, parish, etc.) may use it with his abbot’s permission, while a monk traveling can use it.

Monks are allowed to sell their wares to the public. The only thing the Rule of Saint Benedict says is that monks should sell their products for a little less than their secular equivalents.
 
Then answer me this-- do the monks use it? I believe they use the LOTH.

Just because the monks publish something does not ensure it is a good thing.
The book being queried is a bound volume to facilitate praying a version of the monastic office by those who are not at the monastery – in this case, Saint John’s Abbey.

OraLabora has responded well, as I would expect of one who is part of the extended family of the venerable Congregation of Solesmes.

This book has a parallel in an edition published by one of the monasteries of the Swiss American Congregation…just as Saint John’s Abbey is a constituent abbey of the American Cassinese Congregation.

These bound volumes are extremely handy for those wishing to pray this version of the Office away from a monastic community as they are easy to use and do not require recourse to multiple resources, which one uses when one is in monastic choir.

Let us be perfectly clear:

The Monastic Office is just as much “the Liturgy of the Hours” from the Church’s perspective as those who use either the standard four volume breviary or one of the alternates, such as the provisions extended by Summorum Pontificum to use the vetus ordo breviary or the provision for those of the Anglican Use. There is no one single accepted version of the Liturgy of the Hours. Thanks to the liturgical reform, the laity now have ready access to the Divine Office in several formats as well as the Church’s encouragement to themselves take up and utilise the Church’s public prayer.

Laity who do not have an obligation to pray the Office and wish to pray the Liturgy of the Hours may freely choose to use this form of the Office.

Laity who do have an obligation to pray the Office but are not part of the Benedictine confederation (or indeed others with an obligation to pray the Divine Office) may seek the appropriate permission to use a form of the monastic breviary to fulfill their obligation.

Finally, Liturgical Press is an imprint respected around the world for both its outstanding scholarship and for the liturgical texts that it publishes and I am disappointed that anyone would call into question the integrity of their publications…especially their liturgical texts. That is most regrettable. I have had occasion to be in contact with that particular monastic community since the 1970s and hold them in very high esteem.
 
Thanks for the information.

What I’m getting from this is that local Benedictine communities have a certain regulatory authority within themselves.

That being said, how does that apply to selling to the “world-at-large” on Amazon, etc?
Benedictine and Cistercian (Trappist) monks live by the Rule of St. Benedict. The Rule of St. Benedict says that every community must be self sufficient.

The Cistercian monastery near me runs a beautiful gift shop, Bonzai garden, has three factories on the grounds and they operate a 25 room retreat house. Several monks are published authors.

Some communities run farms. We all know about Trappist breweries. Etc.

Benedictine and Cistercian monks are not mendicants, not beggars like Franciscans. They engage in industry and commerce to support themselves.

-Tim-
 
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