New Roman Catholic From Anglican Catholic

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I am a “new” Roman Catholic; “new” in the sense that I have not yet completed RCIA, been confirmed, or made first confession. I am coming from the Anglican Catholic Church. I have been attending daily mass, have had several conversations/meetings with the parish priests, and have attended bible study at my parish for the past 18 months. I only made the decision to convert to the Roman church about 2 months ago.

Everyone in the parish has made me feel very welcome.

I was, until recently, participating in the Eucharist; the Anglican Catholic Church has been in communion with the Roman church for several years and I had received permission from both my (now) former ACC Archbishop and my parish priest.

Then, my wife and I went on a cruise. Things should be great, right?

On about our third day at sea, my wife and I met a couple seated near us in the buffet who SOC’d themselves before eating. I asked them if they were Catholic and they said “Yes”. I mentioned that it was a shame there were no services on board and they said ”There are. There’s a Catholic priest on board doing daily mass at 9 o’clock in the chapel.”

Long story short, I took communion the next day at mass and was accosted, and not in a particularly nice way, by the wife of the couple who was appalled that I would take communion without having been confirmed and gone to first confession. I told her that, to my knowledge, confession in the ACC is not the same as it is in the Roman church. While I’m sure an ACC priest would hear a personal confession, the ACC churches do not have Roman Catholic confessionals and the rite is not offered in any ACC church bulletin. Since the ACC and the Roman church are in communion and I had received permission from all the involved parties/organizations, I presumed I was good to go. Not so, according to this woman.

I talked to the priest on the ship and asked him what I should do. He said that, while she was technically correct, the fact that the two churches are in communion should prevail and I could either take the Eucharist or take the blessing. I chose the blessing for the rest of the cruise because I did not want to scandalize this woman.

I talked to my parish priest and he is somewhat ambivalent about the whole thing. He is more concerned with getting me through the annulment of my first two marriages so that I can officially join the church.

Anyway, I have chosen to forgo the Eucharist and only take the blessing until I am a full member and I’ve been to my first confession. My issue is that I feel very lost by only taking the blessing and not the body and blood of Christ.

I’m not actually sure what I am asking here but I could use some advice.

Thank you in advance to all to answer me.
 
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This question may be a tangent, but do you have any resources regarding the Anglican Catholic Church being in communion with the Roman Catholic Church? I’ve never heard that.
 
I’m a little confused. There is no Anglican body that is in communion with the Catholic Church. I know some traditional Anglican groups are in communion with the Old Catholic Churches and the Old Roman Catholic Churches, but none with the Catholic Church. If your church were in communion with Rome, you wouldn’t need to convert. What priest told you that they were in communion?
 
I was, until recently, participating in the Eucharist; the Anglican Catholic Church has been in communion with the Roman church for several years and I had received permission from both my (now) former ACC Archbishop and my parish priest.
I think you and your (Catholic) priest may be confusing the Anglican Catholic Church which is not in communion with Rome and the former Episcopalians and Anglicans who have come into full communion with the Catholic Church under the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St Peter and worship under the Anglican Use liturgy. ??? Because there are no Anglican churches in communion with Rome, continuing church or otherwise.
was accosted, and not in a particularly nice way, by the wife of the couple who was appalled that I would take communion without having been confirmed and gone to first confession.
I am sorry that she was rude and you felt attacked/accosted. That is not the way to handle the situation, and frankly even if she is right I can’t imagine accosting a near stranger on a cruise.
He is more concerned with getting me through the annulment of my first two marriages so that I can officially join the church.
I would encourage you to refrain from the Eucharist until such time as you are received into the Church and are able to make a good confession prior to reception.
 
It’s The Anglican Catholic Church, not the Anglican church. Big difference.

My source is the Anglican Catholic Archbishop Mark Haverland.
 
It’s The Anglican Catholic Church, not the Anglican church. Big difference.

My source is the Anglican Catholic Archbishop Mark Haverland.
I’m aware of the difference. As 1ke said, I’m aware of no such communion with Rome.
 
For some reason, even though I am replying to specific posters, my replies are not showing up as replies but as completely new posts. I’m not sure what the issue is there. So, sorry if it’s confusing.

That being said, the Anglican Catholic Church is in communion with the Roman church. Unless, of course, Archbishop Haverland is lying to me.

I’m not trying to be argumentative or confrontational, I just know what I have been told by people who should know what they’re talking about.
 
I apologize if I seemed confrontational myself. I just wanted to get to the bottom of it. It is true if the ACC and Catholic Church were in communion you could receive. As they are not you are correct not to receive. I also can’t imagine accosting a stranger like the lady on the boat did, and I’m sorry for the bad example.
 
Are you sure you’re not misunderstanding him? There is no communion between the two churches. Again, if there were, you would have no need to convert.
 
It’s The Anglican Catholic Church, not the Anglican church. Big difference.
I understand that. The Anglican Catholic Church is part of the continuing Anglican movement and is separate from the Anglican Communion.

The Anglican Catholic Church is NOT in communion with Rome.
My source is the Anglican Catholic Archbishop Mark Haverland.
Well, the Anglican Catholic Church website acknowledges that the ACC and CC are not in communion:

http://www.anglicancatholic.org/current-relations-with-rome?class=greenlink
 
That posting from Archbishop Haberland is from 2010. I believe they came into communion around 2016. However, you’re right, I cannot find any reference to it on their website. My assertion comes from a personal conversation I had with Archbishop Haverland which arose because I was moving to an area where there was no Anglican Catholic Church and his suggestion was that, because they were in communion with the Roman church, I would be able to take communion as long as I had the permission of the parish priest.
 
That being said, the Anglican Catholic Church is in communion with the Roman church. Unless, of course, Archbishop Haverland is lying to me.
It seems that the Archbishop sincerely believes that members of the Anglican Catholic Church are “Catholic”.

Unfortunately he seems to be using that term in a way that is not consistent with the Catholic Church-- meaning visibly in union with the Roman Pontiff. He considers the Anglican, Orthodox, and Oriental Churches all to be Catholic. In the sense that the Creed uses the term “catholic.”

There is no inter-communion. There is no communion, period. I am not sure what the Archbishop considers “in communion” because there is no visible communion between the ACC and the CC.
 
I think I’ve gotten the answers I need. I will take the blessing only until confirmation/first confession.

Still completely confused why the Archbishop would tell me to go to the RCC and, specifically NOT any Anglican non-ACC church.

Thank you.
 
That posting from Archbishop Haberland is from 2010. I believe they came into communion around 2016. However, you’re right, I cannot find any reference to it on their website. My assertion comes from a personal conversation I had with Archbishop Haverland which arose because I was moving to an area where there was no Anglican Catholic Church and his suggestion was that, because they were in communion with the Roman church, I would be able to take communion as long as I had the permission of the parish priest.
The Anglican Catholic Church is not in communion with the Catholic Church.
 
That posting from Archbishop Haberland is from 2010. I believe they came into communion around 2016. However, you’re right, I cannot find any reference to it on their website. My assertion comes from a personal conversation I had with Archbishop Haverland which arose because I was moving to an area where there was no Anglican Catholic Church and his suggestion was that, because they were in communion with the Roman church, I would be able to take communion as long as I had the permission of the parish priest.
I have no idea what the Archbishop is talking about. He seems to have just made that up wholesale.
 
I’m sorry to keep telling you this, but the Church of Rome does not recognize the Anglican Catholic Church as part of its communion, and denies that it has valid apostolic succession. There were groups of Anglicans and Episcopalians that came into the Church years ago under the personal ordinariates established by Pope Benedict, but they came in as converts, ceasing to be members of their respective churches. Their clergy were unconditionally ordained and individuals had to be confirmed as their previous confirmations were deemed invalid.

I’m sorry for the way you were treated though. That was rude and wrong.
 
Still completely confused why the Archbishop would tell me to go to the RCC and, specifically NOT any Anglican non-ACC church.
It is the Archbishop’s own definition of Catholic which has caused the confusion.

The ACC claims that they formed a true particular Church with apostolic succession in 1977. That makes them equivalent to the Catholic, Orthodox, and Oriental Churches in the ACC’s view.

The Catholic Church does not share this view of the ACC.

http://www.anglicancatholic.org/administration
 
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Still completely confused why the Archbishop would tell me to go to the RCC and, specifically NOT any Anglican non-ACC church.
It is the Archbishop’s own definition of Catholic which has caused the confusion.

The ACC claims that they formed a true particular Church with apostolic succession in 1977. That makes them equivalent to the Catholic, Orthodox, and Oriental Churches in the ACC’s view.

The Catholic Church does not share this view of the ACC.

http://www.anglicancatholic.org/administration
From this, it sounds like they believe both the RCC and the ACC are valid apostolic Churches even if not in communion, but the RCC does not agree regarding the ACC.
 
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