New Rosary Mysteries

[ElizabethPH]

I give the poster above and everyone against the Luminous Mysteries the respect of not praying them if they don’t want too. The reason stated above is disturbing and that their discernment of why they think it’s wrong and a mistake by connecting them with Satanism and the occult because of the word Luminous.

They are the ‘Mysteries of Light’

Luminous = radiating or reflecting light; shining; bright.

Here’s a link about the Rosary. It would probably benefit to read the whole thing; but under Chapter 2, paragraph 19 and 21 I believe it talks specifically about the Luminous Mysteries. Perhaps it will at least help you to understand why they are called what they are.

newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02rd.htm

 

[StTommyMore]

Thank you for your words. Respect and obedience due to all the hierarchy of Holy Mother Church is not lacking here. Pope John Paul II did not say Catholics who pray the rosary must pray these mysteries. He offered them and proposed them. I in respect and charity say no thank you. Remember the hierarchy is bound by the truth in Faith and Morals and while we must always show proper respect to the hierarchy we must not follow errors that some of the hierarchy have introduced into the Church which are new and not apart of the the deposit of Faith and are against our sense of faith.In a word obedience to the Church does not extend to heresy. Is the change to the rosary heresy? No it’s not.That doesn’t mean it should have been done. Words matter charity was changed to love. The Holy sacrifice of the Mass was changed to the celebration of the Eucharist. The Rosary traditionally was one thing now it is something new. Given we live in a wicked age many souls have been seduced into the occult. One of the traps that souls have fell into is called illuminism which is Satanic and it also is a Philosophy that is anti Catholic in more ways that I can count. So calling the “new” mysteries luminous is problematic to those of us who understand how the Satanic enemies of the cross are working inside and outside the Church. Did John Paul II know about illuminism and how this could look? I don’t know. I will assume he didn’t and meant well. I view this mistake as just that a mistake like kissing the Koran. But I can’t commit intellectual suicide to make modernists “feel” better. So while I love and respect our Apostolic Leaders these things are in our faces. I see the wisdom in our Holy Father’s way of leadership. He is working to prevent a schism. I pray and work with him as an obedient son. I loved Pope John II. This love and loyalty doesn’t change the fact that 2&2=4 and we must face the fact that the doctrine,worship,language and thinking of Catholics in the Latin rite is not Catholic in many ways. No fingers need to be pointed. Everything can not be different and the same at the same time. 2&2=4

Meditating on the Baptism of Jesus, the Wedding at Cana, the Transfiguration, etc. Satanic? I have heard some utterly ridiculous rantings of “Traditionalists” in the past, but this is by far the most inane.

 

[lesliejean]

A group I am in prays the Rosary almost continuously for 54 days at a time, 27 days of petition for our intentions, and 27 days of thanksgiving. The order the mysteries are prayed is: Joyful, Luminous, Sorrowful and Glorious, no matter what day of the week they fall on. Is there any problem with that?
Thank you.

 

[StTommyMore]

A group I am in prays the Rosary almost continuously for 54 days at a time, 27 days of petition for our intentions, and 27 days of thanksgiving. The order the mysteries are prayed is: Joyful, Luminous, Sorrowful and Glorious, no matter what day of the week they fall on. Is there any problem with that?
Thank you.

I wouldn’t think so, but it would seem most fitting to pray the Sorrowful mysteries on Friday and the Glorious mysteries on Sunday. The days on which you pray them have not been dogmatized, just as the mysteries them selves have not been dogmatized.

 

[Waiting]

This has probably been discussed before, but, I want to know if any of the traditionalist Catholics here pray the Luminous Mysteries.

If this is a heated subject, I don’t want slander. I don’t know how volitile this subject is, but, I know this folder can get a bit passionate at times in regards to the love of God.

Why would anyone object to saying the Luminous Mysteries? We’re concentrating on the public ministry of Jesus. What’s the problem? Why would which day you say any of the mysteries make a difference? You can say any of the mysteries or all of the mysteries at your own pleasure or discretion. Just say them. I used to try to skip the sorrowful mysteries, because I didn’t like to concentrate on suffering, until I realized that I was offending our Lord. Now I say all the mysteries each day. I don’t feel that if you limit yourself to one set of mysteries per day, that you have to follow a particular order. If you are having a tough day and want to concentrate on how tough a day can really be, then say the Sorrowful Mysteries that day regardless what day of the week it is. The Lord and his mother will love and reward you for it.

 

[simple_soul]

Thank you for your words. Respect and obedience due to all the hierarchy of Holy Mother Church is not lacking here. Pope John Paul II did not say Catholics who pray the rosary must pray these mysteries. He offered them and proposed them. I in respect and charity say no thank you. Remember the hierarchy is bound by the truth in Faith and Morals and while we must always show proper respect to the hierarchy we must not follow errors that some of the hierarchy have introduced into the Church which are new and not apart of the the deposit of Faith and are against our sense of faith.In a word obedience to the Church does not extend to heresy. Is the change to the rosary heresy? No it’s not.That doesn’t mean it should have been done. Words matter charity was changed to love. The Holy sacrifice of the Mass was changed to the celebration of the Eucharist. The Rosary traditionally was one thing now it is something new. Given we live in a wicked age many souls have been seduced into the occult. One of the traps that souls have fell into is called illuminism which is Satanic and it also is a Philosophy that is anti Catholic in more ways that I can count. So calling the “new” mysteries luminous is problematic to those of us who understand how the Satanic enemies of the cross are working inside and outside the Church. Did John Paul II know about illuminism and how this could look? I don’t know. I will assume he didn’t and meant well. I view this mistake as just that a mistake like kissing the Koran. But I can’t commit intellectual suicide to make modernists “feel” better. So while I love and respect our Apostolic Leaders these things are in our faces. I see the wisdom in our Holy Father’s way of leadership. He is working to prevent a schism. I pray and work with him as an obedient son. I loved Pope John II. This love and loyalty doesn’t change the fact that 2&2=4 and we must face the fact that the doctrine,worship,language and thinking of Catholics in the Latin rite is not Catholic in many ways. No fingers need to be pointed. Everything can not be different and the same at the same time. 2&2=4

*Hmm… how is giving us a way to learn about, teach about, and contemplate on how God’s graces of Divine Mercy and Love are poured into us and through us to others, a modernistic satanic anti-Catholic teaching philosophy?

Intellectual suicide? That does not scare me. What scares me is Spiritual Suicide. If we do not learn to follow our Apostolic Leaders in their leadership and guidance and learn to let God’s graces pour into us and through us that, I believe, is what we are facing.*

 

[antonabe]

The Baptism of Jesus,the Wedding feast at Cana,Jesus’s first miracle,the establishment of the kingdom of God,the Transfiguration,and the Establishment of the Holy Eucharist are all important events if the life and the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Luminous mysteries gives us an opportunity to reflect of these events while praying the Rosary.every Thursday when I pray the Rosa the reflection is on the Luminous mysteries and I cannot understand why there should be a controversy on this.In my opinion a void has been filled

 

[CatholicFireman]

I pray them.

 

[Aramis]

A group I am in prays the Rosary almost continuously for 54 days at a time, 27 days of petition for our intentions, and 27 days of thanksgiving. The order the mysteries are prayed is: Joyful, Luminous, Sorrowful and Glorious, no matter what day of the week they fall on. Is there any problem with that?
Thank you.

If you have a steady praxis, it’s fine…

The tradition, however, is that Fridays are a day of penance and penitential prayer; this makes the sorrowful mysteries most appropriate then, since they meditate upon Jesus penance for Adam’s sin.

Thursdays were specifically mentioned in the promulgation of the luminous mysteries. This makes it the day most appropriate for them.

The Glorious Mysteries include the Resurrection; Sunday is the day of the Resurrection, and thus, the Glorious are the most appropriate for Sundays.

 

[Vixit]

If you have a steady praxis, it’s fine…

The tradition, however, is that Fridays are a day of penance and penitential prayer; this makes the sorrowful mysteries most appropriate then, since they meditate upon Jesus penance for Adam’s sin.

Thursdays were specifically mentioned in the promulgation of the luminous mysteries. This makes it the day most appropriate for them.

The Glorious Mysteries include the Resurrection; Sunday is the day of the Resurrection, and thus, the Glorious are the most appropriate for Sundays.

Same reason why we don’t do lots of joyful prayers during Lent or sorrowful prayers at Easter, right?

 

[Aramis]

Same reason why we don’t do lots of joyful prayers during Lent or sorrowful prayers at Easter, right?

right.

 

[ElizabethPH]

If you have a steady praxis, it’s fine…

The tradition, however, is that Fridays are a day of penance and penitential prayer; this makes the sorrowful mysteries most appropriate then, since they meditate upon Jesus penance for Adam’s sin.

Thursdays were specifically mentioned in the promulgation of the luminous mysteries. This makes it the day most appropriate for them.

The Glorious Mysteries include the Resurrection; Sunday is the day of the Resurrection, and thus, the Glorious are the most appropriate for Sundays.

praxis?

 

[Aramis]

praxis?

From the Miriam-Webster online:
prax·is
noun \ˈprak-səs
plural prax·es-ˌsēz
Definition of PRAXIS
1: action, practice: as a : exercise or practice of an art, science, or skill b : customary practice or conduct
2: practical application of a theory

Origin of PRAXIS
Medieval Latin, from Greek, doing, action, from prassein to do, practice — more at practical
First Known Use: 1581

In church terms, that collection of exhibited behavior tied to faith.
Orthopraxis is “right practice of faith”; heteropraxis is “different practice of faith” and is the antonym of orthopraxis.

 

[RJB]

The Luminous Mysteries invite us to contemplate Jesus’ public life, from His baptism to the precious gift of the Eucharist. The Wedding at Cana (my favorite) illustrates the simple truth of how we should pray. “They have no wine” simply states the problem. Mary trusts in Jesus to solve the problem. In our prayer life, all we need is to bring the problem to Jesus, we don’t need to suggest a solution.

 

[mytruepower2]

This comes back to what it means to be a “traditionalist” catholic.

Personally, I believe that Jesus is the son of God, that he sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Catholic Church, and therefore, that the Pope and the Magisterium of the church will never teach evil practices, or fail in teachings of faith and morals.

New mysteries of the rosary are not specifically a matter of faith and morals, but they do help us to broaden our understanding of our own faith from time to time, and to understand concepts about the faith that we may, recently, have been overlooking.

Because of this, I pray the Luminous Mysteries weekly.

 

[simple_soul]

This comes back to what it means to be a “traditionalist” catholic.

Personally, I believe that Jesus is the son of God, that he sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Catholic Church, and therefore, that the Pope and the Magisterium of the church will never teach evil practices, or fail in teachings of faith and morals.

New mysteries of the rosary are not specifically a matter of faith and morals, but they do help us to broaden our understanding of our own faith from time to time, and to understand concepts about the faith that we may, recently, have been overlooking.

Because of this, I pray the Luminous Mysteries weekly.

*Dear mytruepower2,

Welcome to the forums!
Thank you for posting this. I agree wholeheartedly and I believe it is very well stated.

 

[Joe_5859]

Goodness! I do not think I will ever understand why this–of all things–is such a bone of contention. It’s just an instance of the pope doing what the pope (through the grace of God) is allowed to do.

Has anyone actually read JPII’s apostolic letter Rosarium Virginis Mariae? He explains this all quite well. I think a read through would do wonders to answer anyone’s lingering questions about why JPII did this and by what authority.

Of course! But it would be nice if a good idea is propagated somehow.

@HCC,
I don’t know who’s in charge of how the Rosary is prayed or who assigned the suggested schedule.

John Paul II set the schedule in the aforementioned apostolic letter. Here is the relevant passage from paragraph #38:

1. The Rosary can be recited in full every day, and there are those who most laudably do so. In this way it fills with prayer the days of many a contemplative, or keeps company with the sick and the elderly who have abundant time at their disposal. Yet it is clear – and this applies all the more if the new series of mysteria lucis is included – that many people will not be able to recite more than a part of the Rosary, according to a certain weekly pattern. This weekly distribution has the effect of giving the different days of the week a certain spiritual “colour”, by analogy with the way in which the Liturgy colours the different seasons of the liturgical year.

According to current practice, Monday and Thursday are dedicated to the “joyful mysteries”, Tuesday and Friday to the “sorrowful mysteries”, and Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday to the “glorious mysteries”. Where might the “mysteries of light” be inserted? If we consider that the “glorious mysteries” are said on both Saturday and Sunday, and that Saturday has always had a special Marian flavour, the second weekly meditation on the “joyful mysteries”, mysteries in which Mary’s presence is especially pronounced, could be moved to Saturday. Thursday would then be free for meditating on the “mysteries of light”.

This indication is not intended to limit a rightful freedom in personal and community prayer, where account needs to be taken of spiritual and pastoral needs and of the occurrence of particular liturgical celebrations which might call for suitable adaptations. What is really important is that the Rosary should always be seen and experienced as a path of contemplation. In the Rosary, in a way similar to what takes place in the Liturgy, the Christian week, centred on Sunday, the day of Resurrection, becomes a journey through the mysteries of the life of Christ, and he is revealed in the lives of his disciples as the Lord of time and of history.

There is no obligation to follow this schedule. However, if the pope recommended it, I see no compelling reason to invent my own schedule.

I have to wonder, if the pope does not have the authority to do such a thing, who does? By what authority were the original mysteries propagated?

 

[PioKolby]

Meditating on the Baptism of Jesus, the Wedding at Cana, the Transfiguration, etc. Satanic? I have heard some utterly ridiculous rantings of “Traditionalists” in the past, but this is by far the most inane.

I didn’t say that the Meditating on the Baptism of Jesus, the Wedding at Cana, the Transfiguration, were Satanic. I said in this wicked age a error a demonic error has emerged called illuminism and calling the mysteries luminous could appear to be something bad to those who practice such evil Satanists are obsessed with the “light”.I do not attach any ill intent to the Holy Father. If you are ignorant of the errors of illuminism philosophy and illuminism inside the Church you must not rashly judge my comments without a working understanding of illuminism philosophy,freemasonry and modernism. My larger point is that it is unreasonable to say that the Mass,prayer,language,doctrine and practices of Catholics are all different from what they were but this is somehow the same old religion. My concerns about the luminous mysteries are in the context of all the other horrors and changes in the Church since 1955. Frankly I don’t have to pray them and it doesn’t make you or I any more or less Catholic if we disagree on this. Here are some helpful links. God love you!

catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/freemasonry/masonry.pdf

audiosancto.org/sermon/20071125-The-French-Revolution-as-a-Type-of-the-End-Times-Part-1-of-2.html

audiosancto.org/sermon/20071202-The-French-Revolution-as-a-Type-of-the-End-Times-Part-2-of-2.html

youtube.com/user/MalachiMartinAudio#p/u/3/Y1vKK12el1M

 

[StTommyMore]

I didn’t say that the Meditating on the Baptism of Jesus, the Wedding at Cana, the Transfiguration, were Satanic. I said in this wicked age a error a demonic error has emerged called illuminism and calling the mysteries luminous could appear to be something bad to those who practice such evil Satanists are obsessed with the “light”.I do not attach any ill intent to the Holy Father. If you are ignorant of the errors of illuminism philosophy and illuminism inside the Church you must not rashly judge my comments without a working understanding of illuminism philosophy,freemasonry and modernism. My larger point is that it is unreasonable to say that the Mass,prayer,language,doctrine and practices of Catholics are all different from what they were but this is somehow the same old religion. My concerns about the luminous mysteries are in the context of all the other horrors and changes in the Church since 1955. Frankly I don’t have to pray them and it doesn’t make you or I any more or less Catholic if we disagree on this. Here are some helpful links. God love you!

catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/freemasonry/masonry.pdf

audiosancto.org/sermon/20071125-The-French-Revolution-as-a-Type-of-the-End-Times-Part-1-of-2.html

audiosancto.org/sermon/20071202-The-French-Revolution-as-a-Type-of-the-End-Times-Part-2-of-2.html

youtube.com/user/MalachiMartinAudio#p/u/3/Y1vKK12el1M

You are grossly misinformed if you think that Changes in the mass in recent history are detrimental to the faith. I have scanned over one of your links. It is a radical Traditionalist (probably Sedevacantist) site, and therefore has absolutely no credibility.

 

[PioKolby]

*Hmm… how is giving us a way to learn about, teach about, and contemplate on how God’s graces of Divine Mercy and Love are poured into us and through us to others, a modernistic satanic anti-Catholic teaching philosophy?

Intellectual suicide? That does not scare me. What scares me is Spiritual Suicide. If we do not learn to follow our Apostolic Leaders in their leadership and guidance and learn to let God’s graces pour into us and through us that, I believe, is what we are facing.*

The soul is made up of the intellect and the will. In part Intellectual suicide is death of the soul. We are a people of Faith and Reason. Clearly grace comes through the Apostolic Priesthood. My concerns about the luminous mysteries are in the context of the larger errors and horrors that have been imposed on us since the 1950’s. This includes women on the altar,immodest dress at mass,communion in the hand, and the homosexual priest crisis to name a few. My larger point is that to say that the Mass,rosary,language,practice and doctrine are different now from what they had been till the 50’s and 60’s and to still some how act as if this is the same old religion is not logical. Everything can’t be the same and different at the same time. If we were only talking about a change to the rosary outside of the context of the current horror in the Church my comments would be silly. It is unfair to look at this issue as if all these other things didn’t happen and aren’t still going on.The change to the rosary is part of a bigger change. Then of course we also have the break with the the Psaltery of Our Lady. explained well here.
remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2010-0615-ferrara-rosary.htm