New Stuff on SSPX or is this just old news?

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JKirkLVNV said:
Certainly in the West, I can’t argue that there hasn’t been a “silly season.” There has. I simply don’t believe that it’s as dire as some “traditionalists” make out. Though the loss of any soul is, of course, a tragedy.
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Really—just a “silly season”. How many people have the following priests (in full communion with the Church) influence. How many people will they continue to influence. If the SSPX started spouting this stuff----the Church would have declared their validity null.

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Consecration
Question from on 04-05-2002:
Dear Dr. Geraghty,
In a discussion with my parish priest, I was stunned when he said that transubstantiation occurs through the collective will of the priest and the congregation. He also denied that the words of consecration are necessary. I believe I have gathered enough information to prove him wrong, but am curious as to how he came to this conclusion. Can you enlighten me?

Thank you and God bless,…

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Homilies
Question from on 05-03-2006:
Dear Father Levis, …

However, recently, some ideas have been expressed in our pastor’s homilies which I know are not the Church’s teachings…such as Jesus did not know he was God and had to decide whether to follow John the Baptist or go preaching on His own; that he had to make a decision whether to go through with the Crucifixion or not and that God “rewarded” Him by resurrecting Him, just as our bodies will be resurrected if we are faithful. He has criticized the Church for not allowing gays in the seminary and for not allowing women to be ordained. It goes on and one, but you get the idea. …
 
Walking_Home said:
Really—just a “silly season”. How many people have the following priests (in full communion with the Church) influence. How many people will they continue to influence. If the SSPX started spouting this stuff----the Church would have declared their validity null.

ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=316660&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2002&Author=&Keyword=consecration&pgnu=4&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=196&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ID+DESC&start_at=

Consecration
Question from on 04-05-2002:
Dear Dr. Geraghty,
In a discussion with my parish priest, I was stunned when he said that transubstantiation occurs through the collective will of the priest and the congregation. He also denied that the words of consecration are necessary. I believe I have gathered enough information to prove him wrong, but am curious as to how he came to this conclusion. Can you enlighten me?

Thank you and God bless,…

ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=468130&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2006&Author=&Keyword=children&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=40&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ID+DESC&start_at=

Homilies
Question from on 05-03-2006:
Dear Father Levis, …

However, recently, some ideas have been expressed in our pastor’s homilies which I know are not the Church’s teachings…such as Jesus did not know he was God and had to decide whether to follow John the Baptist or go preaching on His own; that he had to make a decision whether to go through with the Crucifixion or not and that God “rewarded” Him by resurrecting Him, just as our bodies will be resurrected if we are faithful. He has criticized the Church for not allowing gays in the seminary and for not allowing women to be ordained. It goes on and one, but you get the idea. …
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Yes, just a silly season. Certainly the above is part of it, but this, too, shall pass. It’s not the first time this stuff has cropped up. It won’t cease to crop up just because we bring back the TLM, or the tonsure, or staple a mantilla to every woman’s head.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
It was a practice at one time. We’ve grown beyond it. I’d dismiss it as a bad joke, but then we see in our world far too many willing, in the Name of God, to do harm to others. I’ve too many protestants in my family to feel comfortable with this, even as a joke.

And if we burn the heretics, what ought we do with the schismatics?
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Promotion to cardinals would be fine with me. 👍
 
Dr.Bombay said:
Oooo, yes. Just think of it. Cardinal Fellay…a heartbeat away from the Papacy.

Makes me all tingly with excitement. 👍
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Have you noticed that His Excellency Superior General Bishop Fellay looks a bit like Gene Hackman. 😉
 
JKirkLVNV said:

Yes, just a silly season. Certainly the above is part of it, but this, too, shall pass. It’s not the first time this stuff has cropped up. It won’t cease to crop up just because we bring back the TLM, or the tonsure, or staple a mantilla to every woman’s head./QUOTE]​

Don’t change the subject----you know well this was in reference to the ones within who are damaging the Church. Yes —it will pass—but till then----how many people will be led down the wrong path by those in communion with the Church.
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Dr.Bombay said:
Oooo, yes. Just think of it. Cardinal Fellay…a heartbeat away from the Papacy.

Makes me all tingly with excitement. 👍
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We all have our fantasies…I envision Felay holding the document Benedict XVI or John Paul III or John Paul IV or John Paul V is reading from when John Paul the Great is proclaimed a saint and doctor of the Church.

Cardinal Fellay? Won’t happen. If it does, I’ll send you a check for your books at Econe for your first semester.
 
My fiancee would beat me to a pulp if I ever tried to staple a mantilla to her dome (Rome lingo, hey play on words!)

😃 😛
 
Walking_Home said:
JKirkLVNV;1552407:
Yes, just a silly season. Certainly the above is part of it, but this, too, shall pass. It’s not the first time this stuff has cropped up. It won’t cease to crop up just because we bring back the TLM, or the tonsure, or staple a mantilla to every woman’s head./
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Don’t change the subject----you know well this was in reference to the ones within who are damaging the Church. Yes —it will pass—but till then----how many people will be led down the wrong path by those in communion with the Church.

Well, numerically, you’ve got me…probably a lot more than are being lead down the wrong path by the schismatic SSPX. But that’s just because they’re so cranky and cranky people are less attractive to the modern mindset. Still, those relatively few that they’re leading…well, we have to pray for them.
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JKirkLVNV said:
Walking_Home;1552430:
Well, numerically, you’ve got me…probably a lot more than are being lead down the wrong path by the schismatic SSPX. But that’s just because they’re so cranky and cranky people are less attractive to the modern mindset. Still, those relatively few that they’re leading…well, we have to pray for them.
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I don’t know how cranky they are–but that is beside the point.
We need to pray for all of us —in the Church. Our own people–adults, children, and those just joining the Church. The danger is from within.
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Walking_Home said:
JKirkLVNV;1552449:
I don’t know how cranky they are–but that is beside the point.
We need to pray for all of us —in the Church. Our own people–adults, children, and those just joining the Church. The danger is from within.
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I won’t argue with that. I simply don’t believe the danger to be the teaching Church as so many “traditionalists” think.
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JKirkLVNV said:
Walking_Home;1552467:
I won’t argue with that. I simply don’t believe the danger to be the teaching Church as so many “traditionalists” think.
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We shall see.

Hey–JKirk----do you have any idea how it happened that in posts 128,129 and 130----your name appears with my posts in the box—and mine with yours.
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JKirkLVNV said:
We all have our fantasies…I envision Felay holding the document Benedict XVI or John Paul III or John Paul IV or John Paul V is reading from when John Paul the Great is proclaimed a saint and doctor of the Church.

Cardinal Fellay? Won’t happen. If it does, I’ll send you a check for your books at Econe for your first semester.
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Saint I’ll give you. “Great” is an appellation not applied by the Church but by cult of personality devotees and will fade as the years pass. But doctor? Please. Don’t make us laugh. Quantity does not equal quality.
 
Dr.Bombay said:
Saint I’ll give you. “Great” is an appellation not applied by the Church but by cult of personality devotees and will fade as the years pass. But doctor? Please. Don’t make us laugh. Quantity does not equal quality.
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We’ll see, Doc, we’ll see.
 
If there is one thing that has to be said about the situation with SSPX, it would be that SSPX itself has to learn much more about humility.

Personally the issue with SSPX is really not over the TLM, its over the consecration of Bishops without the approval from the Pope, and claiming ‘extreme necessity’ even when the Supreme Legislator himself judged that it did not exist.

It is a mistake of the Deformation Era that one can improve the Church from outside it. Its fruits are all plain to see in the Protestant Heretics. A significant distinction has to be made between the actual teaching and what is practised. Interpreting VCII in opposition to the rest of the previous Councils is really an expression of how poor the formations of Priests are at the moment, and how confused and misguided some Bishops are. The same distinction is made for the issue over indulgences in the 1500s, between the teaching itself and the practise. Practising something wrongly does not make the teaching wrong.

Futher, the belief that the ‘true’ Church is hidden is a Protestant heresy that some SSPX attedendee have lapsed into, but are too blind and deaf to realise.

That being said, the charity of many Diocesan Bishops in attending to the needs of their faithful is seriously to be found wanting. Their lack of charity also makes them responsible for driving some of the faithful into schism.
 
Dr.Bombay said:
You may say all you’d like, but you didn’t answer the question. Perhaps I should word it differently:

If the majority of bishops in the Church ascribe to heresy, are the few faithful who remain rooted in Sacred Tradition to be considered schismatic?
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If they refuse submission to and communion with Rome, then yes, those orthodox who defy order in the name of Tradition are to be considered schismatic. It’s a simply defined term.
 
Andreas_Hofer said:
If they refuse submission to and communion with Rome, then yes, those orthodox who defy order in the name of Tradition are to be considered schismatic. It’s a simply defined term.
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You say we have an obligation to obey a heretic bishop, all in the name of order?

Nonsense.
 
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