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What if anything is it you do not believe that is attributed to a Teaching from Christ? 
God Bless you,
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God Bless you,
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Nothing.What if anything is it you do not believe that is attributed to a Teaching from Christ?
God Bless you,
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Christ established the Catholic Church and gave it authority in matters of faith and morals. By that act it means that all Church teachings have the authority of God behind them. To reject a Church teaching is to reject God.
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Did Christ establish the Catholic Church ? That’s funny I don’t find “Catholic church” in scripture. If the Catholic church has deviated from the model found in scripture, then they are in error. Rejecting a church teaching is not equivalent to rejecting God. God is infallible, the church is not ! If this were the case, then Paul would be in error when he rejected the teachings of the Corinthian church ! And was the Corinthian church perfect in their teachings ? NO !
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Where is “catholic church” mentioned in scripture ?
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GOLLY! I thought every one knew that
Right nexr to “Protestant,” Trinity" “Purgatory” Lutherns, Methodist, Baptist, Dogma, Doctrine and oh well you know
My friend there are a GREAT many things the Bible expresses, teaches and verifies that are not in the language of the day. But you asked a serious question [THANK YOU!]
So here is the serious answer:**Psalms 127:1 **
“Unless the Lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.”
Eph.3: 9 to 12 “And to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church [SINGULAR]** meaning THE CATHOLIC Church**] the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and confidence of access through our faith in him"
2nd. Peter 1: 16-21 “You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
Matt.13:9-12 “He who has ears, let him hear." Then the disciples [Apostles] came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” And he answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.” For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. “**
**2nd. Peter 3: 14-17 **“Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability
No where in the entire bible does God EVER approve of belief in more then Him Alone, or ONLY the Faith beliefs He taught and always only one Church.[Today’s CC]
**Mt. 18:19 **“And I [Jesus] tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. **I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” **
Mt. 28:16-20 "Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. And when they saw him they worshiped him; but some doubted.
[18] And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”
John 20:20-21 "Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.”
**THIS MEANS WITH CHRIST OWN AUTHORITY AND POWERS **
There is a great deal more that i can sahre but space limts my response. send me a pm if you’d like a whole lot more information:thumbsup:
**John.10: 16 **“And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd”
Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. ***There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father ***of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift".
Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [SINGULAR] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
**Eph. 3: 9-10 ** “And to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church [singular] the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord,
God Bless,
Pat
PJM on the FORUM
Why?
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REALLY
So Jesus os “OK” with Divorce?
**Heb. 13: 4 **“Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled; for God will judge the immoral and adulterous.”
**Mt. 5: 31-32 ** [JESUS SPEAKING] "It was also said, `Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”
Mt. 19: 1 -11 Now when Jesus had finished these sayings, he went away from Galilee and entered the region of Judea beyond the Jordan; and large crowds followed him, and he healed them there. ***And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” ***He answered, "Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder." They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?” He said to them, “For your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, ***but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery.” ***The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.” But he said to them, "Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given.”
My friend that is NOT God’s Teaching or that of the CC:thumbsup:
God Bless,
Pat
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See response to PJM’s post.
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I didn’t say he was, although in the Gospels he made an exception:REALLY
So Jesus os “OK” with Divorce?
The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.” But he said to them, "Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given.”
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Ahhhh, OK! Now I get it.
So your point then is that today’s Church [The Magisyerium] holds to a different teaching; a different standard?
I have given this alot of thought. Clearly God granted His very own Powers and Authority to the Church, and the Magisterium.
Mt. 28: 16-20 "Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. And when they saw him they worshiped him; [18] And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”
In order to accomplish this the passing on of God’s Powers and Authority have to exist.
**Matt.16: 18 to 19 **“And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
This Power to “bind and to loose” are referencing AUTHORITY of “unlimited governance” of “the Kingdom.” [CK. MY BLOG THE DOCUMENT OF THE KEYS EXPLAINED].
The Key’s were handed over on the first Pentecost: **John 20:19-23 **"On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. ***As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. *** If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
Acts.20: 28 “Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God [SINGULAR] which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.”
**1Tim. 3: 15 **if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the [SINGULAR] household of God, which is the church [SINGULAR] of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth [SINGULAR]
**Luke 10:16 **“He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
Eph.3: 9 to 12 “And to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church [SINGULAR: meaning THE CATHOLIC Church] the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and confidence of access through our faith in him"
2nd. Peter 1: 16-21 “You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
**Eph. 2:19-20 **“So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,[SINGULAR] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
The Pope and the Magisterium not only have the necessary Powers and Authority from Christ “AS THE FATHER SENT ME SO TO I GOD SEND YOU” but also the mandate ad responsibility to do so. The Pope and the Magisterium are incapable of error [Jn.14:16-17; Jn.17:15-19] when TEACHING what we must believe on Faith issues and ALL moral Issues.
Doctrine and Dogma cannot chage BUT we can attain a better, a fuller understanding of them. SORRY about not picking up on this the first time.
God Bless you,
Pat
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This “exception” clause is found only in Matthew. The better translation is “unlawful.” At the time, people married close relatives, which would be unlawful under the Mosaic Law.
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Acts 15:20
but tell them by letter to avoid pollution from idols, unlawful marriage, the meat of strangled animals, and blood.j
Acts 15:29
namely, to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from blood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage. If you keep free of these, you will be doing what is right. Farewell.’”l
but tell them by letter to avoid pollution from idols, unlawful marriage, the meat of strangled animals, and blood.j
Acts 15:29
namely, to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from blood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage. If you keep free of these, you will be doing what is right. Farewell.’”l
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The same place that states that there should be 27 books in the New Testament.
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Good one!The same place that states that there should be 27 books in the New Testament.
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Acts 9:31 η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου και τη παρακλησει του αγιου πνευματος επληθυνετο
“Ekklesia Kath olos” = Catholic Church
Because it is the “church throughout all”…
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