New Trad convert -- pray for me

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I know this thread may not 100% belong on the Trad Cath forum but I’ve spent quite a bit of time here and have lots of people I like that frequent this forum.

I was baptized, confirmed and received my first communion on the Feast of Corpus Christi last week. Now lingering doubts are creeping in. I am coming out of Mormonism and my leaving the church has caused my divorce. My wife blames me for ruining my marriage and is calling me a betrayer and a liar.

Please whatever prayers you can send my way would be appreciated.

Thanks

Charles
 
I know this thread may not 100% belong on the Trad Cath forum but I’ve spent quite a bit of time here and have lots of people I like that frequent this forum.

I was baptized, confirmed and received my first communion on the Feast of Corpus Christi last week. Now lingering doubts are creeping in. I am coming out of Mormonism and my leaving the church has caused my divorce. My wife blames me for ruining my marriage and is calling me a betrayer and a liar.

Please whatever prayers you can send my way would be appreciated.

Thanks

Charles
Hi Charles,

It is natural that you would have second thoughts considering that your conversion may have contributed to your divorce.

Jesus said that we should take up our yokes and follow him. God bless you for having the courage to take a step of faith.

I will keep you in prayer.

Are there any of the doubts that you would like to share?
 
I would like to echo Truelight’s comments. My prayers are with you. I’ll dedicate my Compline for you for the next week.
 
Hi Charles,

It is natural that you would have second thoughts considering that your conversion may have contributed to your divorce.

Jesus said that we should take up our yokes and follow him. God bless you for having the courage to take a step of faith.

I will keep you in prayer.

Are there any of the doubts that you would like to share?
Just the typical human foibles…am I doing the right thing? How can I know? Etc.

But then when I see Father walk out and intone “Introibo ad altare Dei” and hear the server(s) answer and then hear the Confiteor and see the beauty of Christ present on the altar I know its RIGHT! I just have to have more faith and pray more fervently.

My wife is VERY DEEPLY brainwashed (since birth) and is spewing some very hateful stuff.
 
I just went through a similar situation after I pressured my wife of 23 years into having our marriage blessed in church. Her Protestant friends were pressuring her to divorse me, and you can bet that the Mormans are doing the same to your wife. I got my wife away from them for a marriage workshop called, “A Weekend to Remember” at the hotel. The brain washing program worked because of the Holy Spirit and the fact that she still loves me.

Truthfully, I was bluffing and would have stuck with my wife if she would have served me divorce papers. Canon 1055 says that all marriages are valid including your Morman marriage. You and your wife are not to get divorced!
 
Welcome home. Of course, you are not a ‘trad convert’ because ‘trad’ is not a religion. You are a convert to Catholicism.
 
Blessed be God that you received the grace of conversion of soul, and were finally brought into the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church!

I totally understand what you are saying about doubt. I feel confident it is part of what I call in myself my “Mormon Scars”. Discovering the lies that the Mormon church is founded upon can cause serious trust issues going forward. In confession I’ve brought up my fears and my doubts many times. I think, if I could believe that one set of lies, what’s not to say that these current beliefs are not also a lie? My priest’s advice? “These are not temptations to be fought, these are temptations to be ignored.” Of course, with these words, I thought of how many times I was taught to put doubts aside, only to discover the truth about Mormonism when I finally allowed myself to explore those doubts.

I remember crying in the Celestrial Room, begging God, “If you are here, let me know, give me that testimony that I so very much want, so I know I am doing what I am supposed to be doing.” I could not understand why everyone else seemed to get the “Burning in the Bosom”, and yet I was left cold as a slab of marble. I understand now - I truly did desire God, and with His grace I have at least found the path to him. It has not been easy, and it seems to get harder with each passing day. And yet I cannot stop being drawn to Him now that He has claimed me for His own.

The only thing I can do is throw myself at the foot of the cross and to beg my savior, “Lord, I believe, help my unbelief!” Even when doubt and darkness engulf me, I feel drawn towards the painful path towards God, even if the path seems to not even be there at all. I pray that my suffering will be salvific for the conversion of souls, and that by enduring the doubts for love of God, that he will draw me to Him even faster. Auxilium Christianorum, ora pro nobis.
 
You might contact the Coming Home Network. They can give you support/direction in your situation.

www.chnetwork.org
I second this, and you are in my prayers as well.
I find your faith and courage inspiring. God’s Grace is with you! Take Heart friend.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners…
 
I think, if I could believe that one set of lies, what’s not to say that these current beliefs are not also a lie?
Thanks for your perspective HD! The above is EXACTLY the way I’ve been feeling for months! Almost like I feel my spiritual radar is on the fritz.

My wife spent 3 hours last night texting me a series of insults and invective that would make the hardiest person wither. She is SO far brainwashed by the church that NO other perspective could EVER be true. I pity her. She’s really going to flip her lid when I start introducing our son to Catholicism. He’s already convinced coffee isn’t of the devil and it’s only a matter of time before the rest of the Mormon house of cards falls for him as well.

Charles
 
Thanks for your perspective HD! The above is EXACTLY the way I’ve been feeling for months! Almost like I feel my spiritual radar is on the fritz.
We all have crosses to bear, and unfortunately for ex-Mos, a very common cross is that “What if?” cross, that constant nagging doubt. Doubt if leaving the Church was the right thing to do, and doubt if there’s even a God at all. I didn’t throw all of my garments away until I had been baptized in the Catholic church for over a year, and just last year I pitched my Quad. I took it to church and hurled it in the dumpster. It felt SOOOO good!

When one is taught for one’s entire life that anything against Mormonism is of the devil, it’s hard not not to have that nagging voice in the back of the head creep up to the forefront. Discerning the truth is a most difficult struggle. For most, it does get better eventually. But it has yet to go away for me completely, and I doubt it ever will.

But again, it comes back to the Truth. And the Truth is that the Catholic church is what it says it is as far as I can tell. And sometimes that’s the best I can do. For so much of my life, I could say without hesitancy that “I know that this [the Mormon] church is true, I know that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, blah blah”. I find it a huge and painful lesson in humility to sometimes barely be able to say, “I have no idea if this is true, but if there is a God, I have hope that this is where He would want me to be.” It’s a risk to hope that I’m not being fooled yet again, and knowing that many see me as foolish just as others did when I was Mormon. All this doubt and fear, though, is based on pride. And pride is the tool of the devil. So I pray for more humility, because it is obvious that I am lacking it in abundance.
My wife spent 3 hours last night texting me a series of insults and invective that would make the hardiest person wither. She is SO far brainwashed by the church that NO other perspective could EVER be true. I pity her. She’s really going to flip her lid when I start introducing our son to Catholicism. He’s already convinced coffee isn’t of the devil and it’s only a matter of time before the rest of the Mormon house of cards falls for him as well.
This makes me think of a funny story. At my first meeting with my current priest, to put me at ease he asked “Do you want to go grab a cup of coffee or something?”. I said, “Um, no, I don’t drink coffee.” I don’t think he understood - it was such a weird thing to see people drinking coffee IN CHURCH after Mass at all. Well, in the social hall but you get the idea. And even my never-Mo husband found it weird when he saw someone with a beer at the Easter Vigil post-Mass potluck.
 
Thanks for your perspective HD! The above is EXACTLY the way I’ve been feeling for months! Almost like I feel my spiritual radar is on the fritz.

My wife spent 3 hours last night texting me a series of insults and invective that would make the hardiest person wither. She is SO far brainwashed by the church that NO other perspective could EVER be true. I pity her. She’s really going to flip her lid when I start introducing our son to Catholicism. He’s already convinced coffee isn’t of the devil and it’s only a matter of time before the rest of the Mormon house of cards falls for him as well.

Charles
Hello again Charles,

I must remind a new Catholic that Divorces are not permitted within the Roman Catholic Church, because valid marriages are considered to be indissoluble. Church canon law 1055 states that any marriage that takes place is legally presumed to be a valid sacrament, and is thus permanent. (Period!)

The fact that your wife is still talking to you, puts the ball in your court. You must respond or face serious consequences with the Holy Father. (ex-communication)

Another thing, now that you are a card carrying Roman Catholic you must remember that listening to Traditionalist complain about Vatican II doesn’t give us any special rights or privileges. I agree with most of what they say, but I am in communion with the Pope and united Bishops.

My prayers are for unity between you and your wife, not for any religion.
 
Hello again Charles,

I must remind a new Catholic that Divorces are not permitted within the Roman Catholic Church, because valid marriages are considered to be indissoluble. Church canon law 1055 states that any marriage that takes place is legally presumed to be a valid sacrament, and is thus permanent. (Period!)

The fact that your wife is still talking to you, puts the ball in your court. You must respond or face serious consequences with the Holy Father. (ex-communication)

Another thing, now that you are a card carrying Roman Catholic you must remember that listening to Traditionalist complain about Vatican II doesn’t give us any special rights or privileges. I agree with most of what they say, but I am in communion with the Pope and united Bishops.

My prayers are for unity between you and your wife, not for any religion.
Not everything is as set in stone as you would present it.

Our assistant pastor is a very knowledgable very orthodox FSSP priest. If anyone can guide me through this period it will be him.

Also I think you need to be reminded that the FSSP is in full communion with Rome as well. The only complaining about VII that I hear in our parish is mainly about the abuses revolving around the OF, and we don’t get a great deal of that. We tend to focus on Jesus, the Mass, our Blessed Lady and our personal prayer lives.

With Best Thoughts,

Charles
 
Hello again Charles,

I must remind a new Catholic that Divorces are not permitted within the Roman Catholic Church, because valid marriages are considered to be indissoluble. Church canon law 1055 states that any marriage that takes place is legally presumed to be a valid sacrament, and is thus permanent. (Period!)

The fact that your wife is still talking to you, puts the ball in your court. You must respond or face serious consequences with the Holy Father. (ex-communication)

Another thing, now that you are a card carrying Roman Catholic you must remember that listening to Traditionalist complain about Vatican II doesn’t give us any special rights or privileges. I agree with most of what they say, but I am in communion with the Pope and united Bishops.

My prayers are for unity between you and your wife, not for any religion.
Whoa, back up there, buddy. A person can be “divorced” in the legal sense of the word without getting excommunicated. And he has tried to reconcile with his wife but is being attacked by her for his conversion. Also, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe she’s the one doing the leaving/divorcing at this point, not him.

This is a horrible and bittersweet time for TheExorcist - finally coming into communion with the Catholic church and gaining sanctifying grace, but losing his family in the process. In Luke, it states:

[BIBLEDRB]Luke 14:26-27[/BIBLEDRB]

He has tried to stay reconciled while following Christ, but when forced to make a choice. he chose Christ. This is not an easy decision, and one that is being forced by his wife. As a ex-Mormon convert whose husband did not convert with me, I feel his pain on many levels. Charity is what is required here.
 
Whoa, back up there, buddy. A person can be “divorced” in the legal sense of the word without getting excommunicated. And he has tried to reconcile with his wife but is being attacked by her for his conversion. Also, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe she’s the one doing the leaving/divorcing at this point, not him.

This is a horrible and bittersweet time for TheExorcist - finally coming into communion with the Catholic church and gaining sanctifying grace, but losing his family in the process. In Luke, it states:

[BIBLEDRB]Luke 14:26-27[/BIBLEDRB]

He has tried to stay reconciled while following Christ, but when forced to make a choice. he chose Christ. This is not an easy decision, and one that is being forced by his wife. As a ex-Mormon convert whose husband did not convert with me, I feel his pain on many levels. Charity is what is required here.
I agree with the above.

The OP is fortunate at this point that his wife speaks to him at all and still allows him to see his children. I had a good friend in high school who was a Mormon and left the faith to become evangelical Christian. His immediate family considered him dead, they wouldn’t speak to him or allow him in the house. He had to go and live with distant relatives who weren’t Mormon and transfer schools because of where they lived. (He was a senior in high school so almost ready for college anyways).

I think the OP has handled the situation the best way he could. He should not compromise his faith just because a family member finds it offensive, even his wife. Of course he should still be as charitable to her as possible even in the face of what she is sending his way currently. If a person wants to leave/divorce you, there is very little you can do about it with no fault divorce. The OP can’t make his wife stay with him if she refuses.

To the OP, as before I salute your courage and willingness to follow Christ no matter where He leads you. Many in the Early Church were disowned or rejected by close family as you have been. God will guide you along the path that he wants for you. God bless you for your obediance to Him and to the fullness of truth found in His Catholic Church. He will not fail to lift you up when you are humble.
 
I know this thread may not 100% belong on the Trad Cath forum but I’ve spent quite a bit of time here and have lots of people I like that frequent this forum.

I was baptized, confirmed and received my first communion on the Feast of Corpus Christi last week. Now lingering doubts are creeping in. I am coming out of Mormonism and my leaving the church has caused my divorce. My wife blames me for ruining my marriage and is calling me a betrayer and a liar.

Please whatever prayers you can send my way would be appreciated.

Thanks

Charles
Don’t fight. Not one single angry word. Not one single harsh word. No meanness at all, ever.

As one who has been divorced four years, I will tell you that biting your tounge it is one of the hardest things you will ever do. Christ could have ended all of creation as he hung on the cross but he held back, forgiving man for crucifying God. As a Catholic, Christ on the Cross forgiving mankind is your example.

Allow peace to reign and eventually, it may take a long time, but eventually peace will reign between your wife and yourself. And God can operate in that peace. And your wife will be converted when she sees your example. But this will only happen in an environment of peace.

This is your chance. You have been called to the Holy Catholic Church so that you may become more like Christ. This is your chance to be Christ.

The Catholic faith is not easy. If you ask me, I would say being Catholic is the hardest thing to do in the world. But to this you have been called.

Charles, I will pray.

-Tim-
 
I am so sorry for what you are going through. The fact that you have a child together further complicates things I am sure. Although there were certainly other issues in my marraige, it was at the time of my conversion to the Catholic Church that my marraige began to really crumble. By this time I had made up my mind that no one or no thing was going to stop me from entering what I believe to be the one true Church of Christ. A year after my conversion, after having our marraige convalidated, my wife left. But Jesus says that whoever doesn’t take up his cross and follow Him is not worthy of Him. He also says that once we put our hand to the plow we are not to look back. I say all of this to say that there are others who understand what you are going through, and that we are praying for you.
 
Not everything is as set in stone as you would present it.

Our assistant pastor is a very knowledgable very orthodox FSSP priest. If anyone can guide me through this period it will be him.

Also I think you need to be reminded that the FSSP is in full communion with Rome as well. The only complaining about VII that I hear in our parish is mainly about the abuses revolving around the OF, and we don’t get a great deal of that. We tend to focus on Jesus, the Mass, our Blessed Lady and our personal prayer lives.

With Best Thoughts,

Charles
Charles, for the sake if your unraised children, I will tryto get through to you one more time, and then I’m out if here!

First, I just completed the Sacrament of Marriage after waiting 23 years. You haven’t waited a month yet. And then, I did it in a “normal” Catholic church. The reason for the long wait was because it would have been a betrayal for me to marry my wife under one religion, have children, and the claim that I found Jesus in another religion.
 
And then, I did it in a “normal” Catholic church.
I’m not getting involved in this discussion, but I have to ask something: the OP mentioned the FSSP which makes me curious as to what “a normal Catholic church” is supposed to mean?
 
Charles,

Former Mormon here. Definitely praying for you.

A suggestion when those moments happen (and they will, especially since you are coming out of Mormonism, and I fully understand how that twists the mind).

Make sure you pray about this. Now that you have been baptized and confirmed, Divine Grace is at your disposal.

When I was having moments like you mentioned (and I did), I would go and lay out those doubts and fears, and concerned before the Lord. And then I would tell Him, that with those doubts in one hand, I was keeping an open mind. That is helpful.

The Lord can handle those doubts. He can handle it all. Just turn it all over to Him.

I still find (and I can into full communion in '07) that from time to time that “Mormon mind-think or prism” can still flare.

The more time goes by, the more you will be able to recognize when it happens.

Again, you have Divine Grace now. Use it.
God Bless and praying for you.
 
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