tuopaolo:
Since you don’t even BELIEVE in papal infallibility you are not in a position to tell me what it means. Furthermore the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith headed by now Pope Benedict XVI explicitly stated that it was infallible:
Last time I checked, the exercise of papal infallibility requires a very specific form and it required a specific pronouncement by the Holy Father. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith does not have the authority to write an infalliable document. Only the Roman Pontiff may promulgate an ex cathedra statement. This has only happened twice, the promulgation of the Immaculate Conception and the promulgation of the Assumption.
What’s confusing is that you are not a Catholic priest and the way you sign your name makes people think that you are as has happened recently even AFTER you added the part in your signature about not being in communion with Rome.
Anglican priests sign their names that way. A few Orthodox priests I know sign that way. In my tradition, we do as well. As for confusion, I have made it clear since I joined this board that I am not affilliated with Rome. If people cannot make the connection, I will not be held responsible for that, nor will I be forced to deny the forms of address customary to my jurisdiction. I’ve went as far as I can to try to ensure that no confusion is engendered while, at the same time, remaining true to my traditions.
No I don’t because unlike Anglican orders the Catholic Church accepts Eastern Orthodox orders as valid.
Your earlier post called into question the orders of the Ecumenical Orthodox Catholic Communion on the grounds that they accepted the orders of those the Vatican had said had no orders (I assume you refer to the Anglican Benedictines that are a part of the EOCC). In 1936, I believe, the Romanian Orthodox Church, at the request of the Patriarch of Constantinople, went to England to research the validity of Anglican Orders. In their letter to the PoC, they affirmed the validity of Anglican Orders. If, therefore, recognizing the orders of a jurisdiction whom the Vatican has condemned results in their orders being condemned or at least questioned in turn, I can only assume you will apply your logic, applied against the EOCC, to the Eastern Orthodox Church.
You are not making any sense here. Just because a PNCC-er can RECEIVE (not “take”) Communion in a CATHOLIC Church (the term “Roman Church” refers to the Diocese of Rome so you are using it incorrectly) does not mean that the Catholic Church believes all the things that the PNCC believes.
I never said anything about recognizing all the things the PNCC believes. The fact is, the PNCC has always accepted the validity of Anglican Orders. By your logic, expressded in an earlier post, their orders are, in turn, either questioable or invalid because of that. Rome, however, has stated that their orders are absolutely valid without question, and until recently, Rome and the PNCC had been working towards full intercommunion. That fizzled sometime after 1997 for various reasons… but Rome still permits PNCC Catholics to recieve Communion without any restriction according to the NCCB notice that appears in all of the Missalettes I have seen.
In closing, let me just say for the record that I am seriously considering cancelling out my account here. I’ve had it with coming into boards and making comments that in no way assault the teaching of those in Communion with Rome but still having my very presence made an issue of each and every time I post and someone feels the urge to fire away.
Further, I don’t seem to understand why some of you don’t see that the Churches in Communion with Rome do the honor of calling other Churches by their chosen name. I have never heard an Old Catholic referred to in public by a Prelate of the Church in communion with Rome as anything but an Old Catholic, nor a PNCC member as anything but a Polish National Catholic, and yet someone else comes in who is a part of an admittedly small body that is seeking the ancient Catholic faith and you just feel free to fire away.
The utter lack of Christian charity that I percieve in many of the posts here that wind up this way just astounds me.
Further, every attempt by myself and Deacon Greg to ask you and others to either move comments on this to the Non-Catholic boards or private messages have been almost completely ignored, and then followed up with the perfect bait to ensure that one of us will respond.
For that, I apologize. However, you and others are equally as guilty of hijacking threads to fire away at us. I get quite sick of logging on and letting myself get baited into further arguments. Neither of us is going to change our positions.
Rob+
), because that is all I’ve ever known, for the 17 years I’ve formally been a Catholic. I’m sure the Latin Mass people feel the same way about the TLM.
