New Vatican document on extraordinary form of the Mass (full text) [CWN]

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Well it’s out! Universae Ecclesiae
May 13, 2011. (Romereports.com) In July of 2007, Benedict XVI lifted restrictions on the liturgy that had existed since before Vatican II. Four years later, the Vatican has issued the instruction “Universae Ecclesiae” from comments made by bishops from around the world on the liberalization of the “Tridentine Mass”. FULL TEXT.
romereports.com/palio/Instruction-Universae-Ecclesiae-on-the-implementation-of-the-Motu-Proprio-Summorum-Pontificum-Full-Text-english-4123.html

I’ll comment properly once i’ve read it, if this would be better in the Traditional Catholicism forum, please tell me and i’ll repost it over there.
 
I’m not a moderator, but it seems to me that this is the logical location for this – it does apply to the universal Church.
And in reply to the news itself – hurrah!
 
With the approval of Pope Benedict XVI, the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei has released Universae Ecclesiae, an instruction on the application of Pope Benedict’s 2007 motu proprio …

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Overall, I’m actually really happy with Universae Ecclesiae! It isn’t quite as strong in parts as I hoped (with regards to Seminary’s at least, I was hoping the EF became a requirement for them to teach), however I am happy that nothing that has happened since 1962, apart from some prefaces, can be implemented into the the Tridentine Mass! Altar Girls, Reception in the Hand etc etc has no place in the EF, and Ecclesia Dei has confirmed this!
 
Overall, I’m actually really happy with Universae Ecclesiae! It isn’t quite as strong in parts as I hoped (with regards to Seminary’s at least, I was hoping the EF became a requirement for them to teach), however I am happy that nothing that has happened since 1962, apart from some prefaces, can be implemented into the the Tridentine Mass! Altar Girls, Reception in the Hand etc etc has no place in the EF, and Ecclesia Dei has confirmed this!
Agree with the bolded section.
I too wish that this would have been more clear and firm. It is obvious that the holy Father wishes the EF to be widely and easily available. It is also obvious that, since both forms are legitimate, that both forms should be taught in seminary…
The only ones who don’t seem to see it as obvious are those running many of the seminaries…🤷

Peace
James
 
I like that they gave the option to have the readings only in English at Low Mass - I don’t know if priests will use that option but it’s interesting. Also that it seems that they allowed for the addition of more saints? And the clarification that Summorum Pontificum applies equally to oratories as well was much needed.

Does it mean that the English could be read from the altar right after the Latin, rather than at the pulpit? That would be fantastic!
 
I like that they gave the option to have the readings only in English at Low Mass - I don’t know if priests will use that option but it’s interesting. Also that it seems that they allowed for the addition of more saints? And the clarification that Summorum Pontificum applies equally to oratories as well was much needed.

Does it mean that the English could be read from the altar right after the Latin, rather than at the pulpit? That would be fantastic!
That’s been allowed since before VII, it was granted by indult in the 50s if I remember, UE just confirms that the Indult is still in effect.
 
Anything recently put out by the VATICAN is Catholic news.

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_commissions/ecclsdei/documents/rc_com_ecclsdei_doc_20110430_istr-universae-ecclesiae_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/letters/2007/documents/hf_ben-xvi_let_20070707_lettera-vescovi_en.html

For those who may be interested - -

The Extraordinary Form of the Mass aka Traditional Latin Mass aka Tridentine Mass can be celebrated at any Catholic Parish (along with the Ordinary Form of the Mass aka Novus Ordo aka Local language) if there is enough interest.

If interested contact your Pastor. He might like some sort of petition to insure there is a minimual amount of interest.

For anyone who does not have a minimual understanding of Latin, I recommend the “*Latin-English Booklet Missal” *for praying the Traditional Mass.
catholicfreeshipping.com/Products/cfs_laenbomi.html
or
any other numerous Catholic catalog sites.
(In the USA, these inexpensive Latin/English missals, like the YOUCAT catechism, seem to be selling out quickly on the various sites.)

And then if interested, a complete1962 Missal is great. There is another thread with recommendations for complete 1962 Missals.

(Anyone interested in purchasing a full size Ordinary Mass /Novus Ordo Missal should probably wait until around Nov 2011 when the new changes take place.
usccb.org/romanmissal/girm-texts.shtml )
 
Agree with the bolded section.
I too wish that this would have been more clear and firm. It is obvious that the holy Father wishes the EF to be widely and easily available. It is also obvious that, since both forms are legitimate, that both forms should be taught in seminary…
The only ones who don’t seem to see it as obvious are those running many of the seminaries…🤷

Peace
James
Overall, I’m actually really happy with Universae Ecclesiae! It isn’t quite as strong in parts as I hoped (with regards to Seminary’s at least, I was hoping the EF became a requirement for them to teach), however I am happy that nothing that has happened since 1962, apart from some prefaces, can be implemented into the the Tridentine Mass! Altar Girls, Reception in the Hand etc etc has no place in the EF, and Ecclesia Dei has confirmed this!
There is actually a very logical and historical reason for this wording. The Holy Father asked for (name removed by moderator)ut from the different Congregations that make up the Curia. He also asked the bishops and he asked the Major Superiors of male religious. Here is the glitch.

About 60% of male religious are both: consecrated religious and priests.

Religious superiors do not have the authority to command their religious to celebrate the EF. They have the authority to forbid it, but not to enforce it. Why not? Because the pope has labeled it “extraordinary”. When something is not part of the ordinary law, the religious superior cannot command it, unless the founder allows it. If the superior commands it, then there is nothing extraordinary about it. It becomes the norm. To make the Tridentine mass the norm is contrary to what the Holy Father is saying.

This begs the question, if something is not within the ordinary functions and not within the ordinary expectations for a religious, does he have to learn it? The answer to that would be another question. Why?

Only those secular men studying to be priests in secular clerical institutes such as the FSSP and Christ the King, have to learn the EF. Only religious who belong to those religious communities where the EF is their normal mass have to learn it.

If the directive had said that all must learn it, then those who would never be using it would be taking a course that they could replace with one that they will use. That’s the same reason why the Latin requirement is not worded as strongly. There are many religious communities that have priests, but their language is not Latin. They have their own official language: French, Italian, Spanish, English. In those cases, those who wish to celebrate the EF would learn the Latin necessary to do so reverently and correctly, just as those who are going to serve in foreign missions learn the language of the place where they are going to serve. While at the same time, the Church respects the mind and goals of the religious orders and Vatican II’s command to religious that they return to their roots. For more than 75% of male religious, our roots are not in parish work.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Anything recently put out by the VATICAN is Catholic news.

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_commissions/ecclsdei/documents/rc_com_ecclsdei_doc_20110430_istr-universae-ecclesiae_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/letters/2007/documents/hf_ben-xvi_let_20070707_lettera-vescovi_en.html

For those who may be interested - -

The Extraordinary Form of the Mass aka Traditional Latin Mass aka Tridentine Mass can be celebrated at any Catholic Parish (along with the Ordinary Form of the Mass aka Novus Ordo aka Local language) if there is enough interest.
There are some conditions here.
  1. There has to be a stable group.
  2. It does ot have to be people from the same parish.
  3. If the priest in your parish is a religious, he needs permission from his superior.
  4. The religious superior has the final word, not the bishop or the group making the request.
  5. Only secular priests can celebrate the EF without asking for permission from their bishop.
  6. To celebrate the EF in a parish, it cannot disrupt the parish. For example, if Father has two mases on Sunday, he cannot celebrate a third mass without permission from the bishop or he may have to change one of those to an EF; but the directive does not allow the priest to inonvenience those people either. You have to find some practical way of getting around these hurdles. It can be done. Don’t get me wrong. Let’s not get so excited as to think that it’s so easy. It’s not. It requires some coordinating.
Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
  1. The faculty to celebrate sine populo (or with the participation of only one minister) in the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite is given by the Motu Proprio to** all priests, whether secular or religious** (cf. Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, art. 2). For such celebrations therefore, priests, by provision of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum,** do not require any special permission from their Ordinaries or superiors.**
 
  1. The faculty to celebrate sine populo (or with the participation of only one minister) in the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite is given by the Motu Proprio to** all priests, whether secular or religious** (cf. Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, art. 2). For such celebrations therefore, priests, by provision of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum,** do not require any special permission from their Ordinaries or superiors.**
Yes, we know this. A priest who is a religious can celebrate the EF by himself (sine populo = without the people).

We’re talking about celebrating for a congregation of people. In that case, the superior must be consulted. The superior can deny the request. The Major Superiors have more authority on this matter than the bishops. The reason is that religious are bound by the rule and constitutions of their communities. to which they vow obedience. They also vow obedience to their superiors.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
There are some conditions here.
  1. There has to be a stable group.
  2. It does ot have to be people from the same parish.
  3. If the priest in your parish is a religious, he needs permission from his superior.
  4. The religious superior has the final word, not the bishop or the group making the request.
  5. Only secular priests can celebrate the EF without asking for permission from their bishop.
  6. To celebrate the EF in a parish, it cannot disrupt the parish. For example, if Father has two mases on Sunday, he cannot celebrate a third mass without permission from the bishop or he may have to change one of those to an EF; but the directive does not allow the priest to inonvenience those people either. You have to find some practical way of getting around these hurdles. It can be done. Don’t get me wrong. Let’s not get so excited as to think that it’s so easy. It’s not. It requires some coordinating.
    Fraternally,
    Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Bishops and heads of Orders can require their seminaries to make the learning of the Extraordinary Form.
Most Parishes in the US have Diocesan Priests.
If a significant number of Parishoneers want an EF Mass it will happen, even if it is an extra Mass. If you go back and read the previous statements from the Popes, you will find that if a Priest does not wish to do so, the Bishop must find a qualified Priest, and if he is unable to do so, the Vatican will help the Bishop. :o
 
Let’s take this in small steps. There is no need to get angry here.
Bishops and heads of Orders can require their seminaries to make the learning of the Extraordinary Form.
We cannot do that. We do not have the authority to do that. We can make it possible for the men in formation to learn the Extraordinary Form. We cannot mandate that they learn it. That’s not what the document is saying.

There is an interesting situation here. If a man in formation is studying for a secular institute such as the FSSP or a religious order that uses the Extraordinary Form as its ordinary mass, then the superior of that particular institute or religious community can require that they learn it. They have to, because it’s part of the charism of that institute.

For example, we cannot demand it of our guys in formation. The rule of St. Francis does not allow it. The Constitutions do not allow it. The governed do not allow it. A religious superior can only command what he is allowed to command. He gets his authority from: Canon Law, the founder, the rule, the constitutions and the men he governs, in that order. The rule does not allow us to command what the Church does not require. In order to do so, there would have to be a special constitutional chapter to amend the constitution. To do that, you must have 2/3 of the religious approve the amendment. Then the superior can enforce it. If it’s not in the constitution and if the Church does not demand it, a religious superior cannot demand it.

Now, the situation is very similar to a diocesan bishop. He has to make the opportunity available to diocesan seminarians. He cannot oblige them to learn it.

There is another posibility. Schools of theology are graduate schools and they are accredited by the State and by private accrediting organizations. They have to be in order to grant degrees. The Church requires the degrees. If the school were to make these courses part of the degree requirements, then the students have to take them and pass them. That would cover that part.

However, neither Summorum Pontificum nor Canon Law give the bishops authority to command anyone to celebrate the EF. A bishop can ask a priest and the priest can decline.
Most Parishes in the US have Diocesan Priests.
If a significant number of Parishoneers want an EF Mass it will happen, even if it is an extra Mass.
There are only so many masses that a priest can celebrate on a given day. However, if there is such a large number, it is possible to eliminate one of the OF mases, provided the priest wants to celebrate the EF.
If you go back and read the previous statements from the Popes, you will find that if a Priest does not wish to do so, the Bishop must find a qualified Priest, and if he is unable to do so, the Vatican will help the Bishop. :o
I understand that and no one has said anything to the contrary. All that I said is that this is not as easy as it sounds. The bishop has to find a qualified priest. Finding a qualified priest is not always easy. He can ask the Commission to help him. He can ask religious superiors to help him. He can offer incentives to his priests. All of these are legitimate avenues. However, we have to know and understand that in some places, this may take a while.

We all want our rights protected. The person who wants the EF wants his right to have it protected. The priest who does not want to celebrate it also wants his right not to celebrate it protected. The religious superior who has to keep a community united, wants his community’s rights protected.

We have to be very patient and work cooperatively. We have to accept that there are going to be compromises. People may have to drive across town or to the next county. A parish may have enough people to eliminate one OF mass in order to insert an EF mass. A group from a parish run by religious may have to merge with a parish run by diocesan priests if the religious cannot do this. In order to get a group, you may have to blend people from the local diocesan run parish and the local Salesian run parish, because the Salesian superior will not allow his men to celebrate the EF. I’m using the Salesians as an example. I have no idea what they allow or don’t allow.

Do you see how this is going to play itself out? It’s going to take time and it cannot be done with a shotgun. The Holy See will not back up any bishop or superior who uses that approach on his men. Why not? Because there is no law that says that any priest, regular or secular must celebrate the EF. That’s the crux of the matter. As long as we don’t have such a law, then we cannot bind someone to do it.

I hope this makes sense.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The author of the article has to be a little more realistic. The Holy See is insisting on managing a lot of people, not just the Traditionalists.

He’s also blending the FSSP and the Institute of Christ the King with the SSPX. The SSPX cannot take a leadership role in this matter, because it has not legitimate ministry or canonical place in the Church. That’s out of the question until their situation is resolves. The idea of allowing the FSSP, the Institute of Christ the King, the Canons of St. John Cantius, and the Franciscans of the Immaculate form some type of committee or training program would be a good one. They know what they’re doing and they are in fully submmissive to the Holy Father and the local bishops.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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