New Video: More Blacks Die From Abortion Than Anything Else

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The following may seem ridiculous to you…
It does indeed, but no more or less ridiculous than everything else that you have posted here on the subject.

I said from the git-go that I quit discussing abortion on this forum years ago because it cannot be discussed intelligently here. You have once again proven that.

My focus in this thread has been health care services dedicated to the prevention of unwanted pregnancy.

I’m for them.
 
It does indeed, but no more or less ridiculous than everything else that you have posted here on the subject.
Notwithstanding factual and well documented.
I said from the git-go that I quit discussing abortion on this forum years ago because it cannot be discussed intelligently here.
Perceptibly, as this forum operates in a Catholic environment, it is unfeasible to sustain such an unsupportable position, relinquishing was inevitable.
My focus in this thread has been health care services dedicated to the prevention of unwanted pregnancy. I’m for them.
By defending America’s number one abortion provider? By endeavoring to divorce Planned Parenthood from its founder; Margaret Sanger? It makes no sense.

Take my advice, get away from PP and pursue the Vatican’s position of abstinence. Or is this impossible? As the last time I debated like this, I was IM-ed that I was debating with a renegade Catholic who had a very lucrative advertising contract with PP, targeting nearby schools - coaching kids to be sexually active by supplying them with condoms to nurture a false sense of security and increase sexual activity, then cashing in on the inevitable abortions.

God Bless
 
  1. Notwithstanding factual and well documented.
  2. …pursue the Vatican’s position of abstinence. Or is this impossible?
  1. Nothing that you have posted here meets either of those standards, you were lying about the locations, you intentionally and deceptively mischaracterized Sanger’s relationship with the KKK, and when you start quoting OT prophecy you are really getting desperate.
  2. You said that once before. Are you seriously suggesting that married couples remain celebate, like the Shakers of yore? One wonders about your own lifestyle, perhaps you are a cloistered monk; if so, you have my respect for your vocation, and hey, the Trappists make dam’ good jelly!
Also, your Ms. Brennan is quoted (don’t know if the quote is from the link you provided) as saying that only prayer and fasting will end abortion. Good luck with that mindset!

I dislike abortion, I’m sorry that so many women deem it necessary when there are so many alternatives.

Abortion will NEVER be banned in this country, the chances of returning to slavery, racial segregation, or male-only suffrage are greater. Outlawing abortion would be a national catastrophe, women seeking help from quacks and worse, or even attepmting to self-abort! That was America before Roe v. Wade. We’re not going back to that.

Catholics and others could prevent many abortions by convincing women considering abortion to choose other alternatives, on PRACTICAL grounds, not prophecies from Zechariah.

Now, Ins, you made me break my vow, that’s not nice; pick a different topic and I’ll be glad to discuss it with you on a separate thread.
 
  1. Nothing that you have posted here meets either of those standards, you were lying about the locations, you intentionally and deceptively mischaracterized Sanger’s relationship with the KKK, and when you start quoting OT prophecy you are really getting desperate.
Lying about locations? People have eyes, they know were Planned Parenthoods are located; in minority areas, near low income housing projects, an where they can target naive young woman. Keeping suit with the vision of Margaret Sanger’s Negro Reduction Project.

Sanger’s own autobiography recounts how she was a speaker before the woman’s division of the KKK and invited back dozens of times. The only thing that is unknown is if/and/or how many times she returned.

Quoting the Bible is getting desperate? Quoting prophecy personally approved by a sitting Pope is desperate?
  1. You said that once before. Are you seriously suggesting that married couples remain celebate, like the Shakers of yore? One wonders about your own lifestyle, perhaps you are a cloistered monk; if so, you have my respect for your vocation, and hey, the Trappists make dam’ good jelly!
I’m a proud dad of three, but I have two friends who became cloistered monks, one is a Trappist Monk in the Abbey of Gethsemani. I havn’t tried their Jelly, but he shipped me some great coffee.
Also, your Ms. Brennan is quoted (don’t know if the quote is from the link you provided) as saying that only prayer and fasting will end abortion. Good luck with that mindset!
That shouldn’t be a shocker to a Catholic. Jesus said we could move mountain through faith and prayer.
I dislike abortion, I’m sorry that so many women deem it necessary when there are so many alternatives.
Like choosing not to murder one’s own baby.
Abortion will NEVER be banned in this country, the chances of returning to slavery, racial segregation, or male-only suffrage are greater. Outlawing abortion would be a national catastrophe, women seeking help from quacks and worse, or even attepmting to self-abort! That was America before Roe v. Wade. We’re not going back to that.
Not necessarily, which brings the topic full circle, back to Negro repression. The overturning of the Dred Scott v. Sandford Decision is a prime example how the Roe v. Wade Decision could be likewise overturned, as the Supreme had previously ruled that blacks were not human and were not covered by the constitution. Now we have black babies targeted by the Margaret Sanger disciples of Planned Parenthood for death.
Catholics and others could prevent many abortions by convincing women considering abortion to choose other alternatives, on PRACTICAL grounds, not prophecies from Zechariah.
Some Catholics still consider the Bible to be practicle.
Now, Ins, you made me break my vow, that’s not nice; pick a different topic and I’ll be glad to discuss it with you on a separate thread.
Okay, how about the topic of getting Catholics to vote Pro-Life?

God Bless
 
Abortion will NEVER be banned in this country, the chances of returning to slavery, racial segregation, or male-only suffrage are greater. Outlawing abortion would be a national catastrophe, women seeking help from quacks and worse, or even attepmting to self-abort! That was America before Roe v. Wade. We’re not going back to that.

Catholics and others could prevent many abortions by convincing women considering abortion to choose other alternatives, on PRACTICAL grounds, not prophecies from Zechariah.
Catholics and others could prevent ALL abortions by convincing their Congressmen and Senators to support the Life At Conception Act.

From the National Pro-Life Alliance’s Summer 2011 Newsletter:
“Although the abortion lobby would like the public to believe that the Supreme Court permanently legalized abortion in Roe v. Wade, that is just not so,” Martin Fox, President of the National Pro-Life Alliance, explains.
Yet, the Supreme Court’s infamous 1973 decision contains a concession which left the door open for the Life at Conception Act to legislatively overturn the ruling that has led to the wanton killing of more than 56 million unborn children.
In that decision, the Court simply stated that because it did not know if the fetus qualified as a constitutional ‘person,’ the right of the mother’s privacy trumped that of her child.
Thus, although the decision was wrongly decided, it was not the last word.
In the same ruling, the Supreme Court admitted that “if this suggestion of personhood is established, then the appellant’s case *, of course collapses, for the fetus’ right to life is then guaranteed specifically by the [14th] amendment.”
This admission by the Court essentially passed the responsibility of determining the personhood of a human being to Congress, since Section 5 of the 14th Amendment clearly gives “Congress the power to enforce by appropriate legislation the provisions of this article.”*
 
Catholics and others could prevent ALL abortions by convincing their Congressmen and Senators to support the Life At Conception Act.
Another perfect example of why the subject cannot be discussed intelligently here.

I hadn’t planned to comment further, but that is an outrageous statement; in fact, outrageous is much too weak a description.

I have never heard of the Act you mention, and I follow US politics pretty closely, but I can imagine what is in it. How would ANY such act (leaving aside that its chances of success are zero) prevent (1) the kind of abortions that existed before Roe v. Wade, which was ALL of them at that time, or for that matter, (2) abortions in the rest of the world?

And who will be arrested and put in prison for the 50% or so of conceptions (we are talking about life at conception, right?) that abort spontaneously, and beside which elective abortions are a mere drop in the bucket?

Those are, of course, rhetorical questions, no reply is necessary.
 
“Although the abortion lobby would like the public to believe that the Supreme Court permanently legalized abortion in Roe v. Wade, that is just not so,” Martin Fox, President of the National Pro-Life Alliance, explains.

Yet, the Supreme Court’s infamous 1973 decision contains a concession which left the door open for the Life at Conception Act to legislatively overturn the ruling that has led to the wanton killing of more than 56 million unborn children.

In that decision, the Court simply stated that because it did not know if the fetus qualified as a constitutional ‘person,’ the right of the mother’s privacy trumped that of her child.

Thus, although the decision was wrongly decided, it was not the last word.

In the same ruling, the Supreme Court admitted that “if this suggestion of personhood is established, then the appellant’s case *, of course collapses, for the fetus’ right to life is then guaranteed specifically by the [14th] amendment.”

This admission by the Court essentially passed the responsibility of determining the personhood of a human being to Congress, since Section 5 of the 14th Amendment clearly gives “Congress the power to enforce by appropriate legislation the provisions of this article.” *

That is exactly correct, and precisely the same flaw in the Supreme Court’s Dred Scott v. Sanford Decision, which ruled that blacks were not human, and therefore not covered by the Constitution. The overturning of the Dred Scott v. Sandford Decision is a prime example how the Roe v. Wade Decision will likewise be overturned.

In the audio that I posted by Jane Brennan (an educated woman; Master’s Degree from Columbia & was an aggressive radical feminist, active with NOW and Planned Parenthood), she recounts how she had two abortions believing that is was only a clump of cells. She had previously counseled this misconception to other woman via NOW & PP. When she decided to have a child (suffering many miscarriages and other medical issues resulting from damage from previous abortions), she was shocked by the sonogram, because it was then that she realized it was a real baby; “Oh my God! That is a real baby! I’ve been lied to all these years!” She was devastated because it was then that she realized that she slaughtered two of her children.

People didn’t realize this in 1973 (the year of the Roe v. Wade Decision), they thought it was only a clump of cells. It is technology that will turn this around, essentially overcoming stupidity. The same stupidity that considered blacks to be subhuman. The same stupidity that persecuted Bruno & Galileo for believing the world was round and orbiting the sun. The core of overcoming Roe v. Wade is education and technology, and in many cases, endeavoring to educate the uneducable.

God Bless
 
I have never heard of the Act you mention, and I follow US politics pretty closely, but I can imagine what is in it.
Clearly you need to be better informed. No need to imagine. You can read it yourself; it’s not that long. The House version is H.R. 374 (79 cosponsors). The Senate version is S.91 (15 cosponsors).

From thomas.gov:
A BILL
To implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,* **
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.**
This Act may be cited as the `Life at Conception Act’.
**
SEC. 2. RIGHT TO LIFE.**
To implement equal protection for the right to life of each born and preborn human person, and pursuant to the duty and authority of the Congress, including Congress’ power under article I, section 8, to make necessary and proper laws, and Congress’ power under section 5 of the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Congress hereby declares that the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being. However, nothing in this Act shall be construed to require the prosecution of any woman for the death of her unborn child.
SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.
For purposes of this Act:
(1) HUMAN PERSON; HUMAN BEING- The terms human person' and human being’ include each and every member of the species homo sapiens at all stages of life, including the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being.
(2) STATE- The term `State’ used in the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States and other applicable provisions of the Constitution includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and each other territory or possession of the United States.
 
Clearly you need to be better informed. No need to imagine. You can read it yourself; it’s not that long. The House version is H.R. 374 (79 cosponsors). The Senate version is S.91 (15 cosponsors).

From thomas.gov:
It seems to end rather abruptly. Is that all there is?

How on earth would that end abortion worldwide, or illegally obtained, as you claimed?

You claimed (with YOUR OWN emphasis):
Catholics and others could prevent ALL abortions by convincing their Congressmen and Senators to support the Life At Conception Act.
And after you have answered that, how exactly would it affect the laws that now exist?

If Roe v. Wade were overturned, something else would replace it. America is not going back to the days of back-alley abortions and coathangers.

There is very little support for late-term abortions except in unusual circumstances.

There is very little SUBSTANTIAL support for interference with early-term abortions.

The majority of educated Americans, which I hope includes most of us, would suggest that life should be protected beginning somewhere between implantation and viability, with opinions varying widely between those limits. That’s where the law should be, with the final decision lelt to the woman, along with the advice and support of her family, her doctor, and if she is religious, her spiritual advisor.

And that’s what will happen in the future. You don’t like that? That’s your right as an American. Thank God that you live in a country where you are allowed such freedom of thought!
 
It seems to end rather abruptly. Is that all there is?
Yes. I was as surprised as you were to discover that it is still possible to write legislation that’s meaningful and less than a thousand pages long 🙂
How on earth would that end abortion worldwide, or illegally obtained, as you claimed?

You claimed (with YOUR OWN emphasis):
Catholics and others could prevent ALL abortions by convincing their Congressmen and Senators to support the Life At Conception Act.
Actually, I wrote that in response to your claim, two posts earlier, that “Abortion will NEVER be banned in this country.” My comment was intended only to address the “in this country” part.
And after you have answered that, how exactly would it affect the laws that now exist?

If Roe v. Wade were overturned, something else would replace it. America is not going back to the days of back-alley abortions and coathangers.

There is very little support for late-term abortions except in unusual circumstances.

There is very little SUBSTANTIAL support for interference with early-term abortions.

The majority of educated Americans, which I hope includes most of us, would suggest that life should be protected beginning somewhere between implantation and viability, with opinions varying widely between those limits. That’s where the law should be, with the final decision lelt to the woman, along with the advice and support of her family, her doctor, and if she is religious, her spiritual advisor.

And that’s what will happen in the future. You don’t like that? That’s your right as an American. Thank God that you live in a country where you are allowed such freedom of thought!
From this link:
When the Supreme Court handed down its now-infamous Roe v. Wade decision, it did so based on a new, previously undefined “right of privacy” which it “discovered” in so-called “emanations” of “penumbrae” of the Constitution.
Of course, as constitutional law it was a disaster. But never once did the Supreme Court declare abortion itself to be a Constitutional right.
Instead the Supreme Court said: “We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins . . . the judiciary at this point in the development of man’s knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer.”
Then the High Court made a key admission: "If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant’s case , of course, collapses, for the fetus’ right to life is then guaranteed specifically by the [14th] Amendment."
That’s exactly what a Life at Conception Act would do.
Code:
     A Life at Conception Act changes the focus  of the abortion debate. It takes the Supreme Court out of the equation  and places responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the elected  representatives who, unlike life term judges, must respond to  grass-roots pressure.
And from this link:
Roe v. Wade would be effectively reversed.
Abortion Never Declared Absolute “Right” - Abortion has never been declared by the Court to be an absolute constitutional right. In fact, when writing the majority opinion in Roe v. Wade, Justice Harry Blackmun wrote:
“We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. . . the judiciary at this point in the development of man’s knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer.”
The Court then admitted:
"If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant’s case , of course, collapses, for the fetus’ right to life is then guaranteed by the [14th] Amendment."
A Life at Conception Act, by establishing personhood for the unborn, would do just that.

A Life at Conception Act is consistent with Supreme Court Precedent.


Since a Life at Conception Act must pass by majority vote in both Houses of Congress, and be signed into law by the President, the measure will go to the Court with considerable backing in the likely event it is challenged.

Furthermore, if the court attempted to backpedal on its language in Roe v. Wade permitting this legislation, Congress could use its power under Article 3, Section 2 of the Constitution to change the jurisdiction of federal courts and eliminate their jurisdiction over abortion.

This kind of legislation has been used by Congress before to reign in the Courts on other themes (see Norris LaGuardia Act). At that time, judges would know that being “fired” from jurisdiction over abortion would be a real threat to their power since it would require the same majority as the Life at Conception Act.
 
Yes. I was as surprised as you were to discover that it is still possible to write legislation that’s meaningful and less than a thousand pages long
The wording also covers preborn as well as born, which is very important considering how hard Obama fought against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, that was implemented to protect survivors of late term abortions. These poor late term babies were being killed after birth because they were originally slated for abortion. These infants were typically place in cold boxes to die of exposure after being born alive. Some were left aside to simply die. Only the most evil people in the world would do such horrible things to babies. With such an inherently diabolical agenda, Obama must go.

He will certainly be a one term President, but unfortunately not because of Catholics voting for what is right (as there are so many now who are pro-death), but because of how he is destroying our economy.

God Bless
 
Another perfect example of why the subject cannot be discussed intelligently here.

I hadn’t planned to comment further, but that is an outrageous statement; in fact, outrageous is much too weak a description.

I have never heard of the Act you mention, and I follow US politics pretty closely, but I can imagine what is in it. How would ANY such act (leaving aside that its chances of success are zero) prevent (1) the kind of abortions that existed before Roe v. Wade, which was ALL of them at that time, or for that matter, (2) abortions in the rest of the world?

And who will be arrested and put in prison for the 50% or so of conceptions (we are talking about life at conception, right?) that abort spontaneously, and beside which elective abortions are a mere drop in the bucket?

Those are, of course, rhetorical questions, no reply is necessary.
Beeliner:

According to the logic expressed in this post, crimes which have been illegal for millennia such Murder, Rape & Robbery should all be made legal and be funded and encouraged by our Federal Government. We don’t imprison people for deaths or injuries which occur as the results of accidents, so why on earth would we punish women for spontaneous abortions or miscarriages? I’m sorry, but that’s just patently ridiculous.

You’ve stated the subject of Abortion can’t be discussed intelligently on these forums - This may be because you believe that the only intelligent point of view on this issue is the Pro-Abortion/Pro-Choice POV and that anyone who decides to defend the child in the womb can only do so from a religious viewpoint. To maintain that POV, you have to ignore both Biology and the Science of Human Embryology & Prenatal Development.

Almost all of the Textbooks on Human Embryology & Prenatal Development used in our (and most other countries’) Medical Schools state that Life begins at Conception, that a Conceived the Human Blastocyst is a human being and not a potential human being. The only debate is over when Conception occurs - Since the 1960’s, most Textbooks on Human Embryology and Prenatal Development have claimed that Cenception occured, not when the woman’s ovum was fertilized by the man’s sperm (as they had previously), by when the fertilized Blastocyst was implanted in the walls of the woman’s Uterus… @ of the 17 Major Textbooks Presently published still hold to the Pre-1960’s Position of Conception & Fertilization occurring together in the Fallopian Tubes…

The Act and similar Acts have been floating around the Halls of Congress for most of the lat 16 years. It, along with the Right to Life Amendment, often get traction when people get disgusted with the number of Abortions, and how they seem to be being used as a Way to Eliminate poor and minority people…
Are these enough for you? For everyone else, please review these links, and remember the “The Right to Choose” is the ONLY PHRASE we don’t finish. We never say what the “Choice” is - That the “Choice” is to take a Human Life, and that the deliberate taking of a Human Life is Murder, even when we tell those who do it the act is Legal. We can deny it all we want - Wanting to make it not kill the baby and harm the woman won’t make it not do these things…

In Christ, Michael
 
Beeliner:

According to the logic expressed in this post, crimes which have been illegal for millennia such Murder, Rape & Robbery should all be made legal and be funded and encouraged by our Federal Government. We don’t imprison people for deaths or injuries which occur as the results of accidents, so why on earth would we punish women for spontaneous abortions or miscarriages? I’m sorry, but that’s just patently ridiculous.

You’ve stated the subject of Abortion can’t be discussed intelligently on these forums - This may be because you believe that the only intelligent point of view on this issue is the Pro-Abortion/Pro-Choice POV and that anyone who decides to defend the child in the womb can only do so from a religious viewpoint. To maintain that POV, you have to ignore both Biology and the Science of Human Embryology & Prenatal Development.

Almost all of the Textbooks on Human Embryology & Prenatal Development used in our (and most other countries’) Medical Schools state that Life begins at Conception, that a Conceived the Human Blastocyst is a human being and not a potential human being. The only debate is over when Conception occurs - Since the 1960’s, most Textbooks on Human Embryology and Prenatal Development have claimed that Cenception occured, not when the woman’s ovum was fertilized by the man’s sperm (as they had previously), by when the fertilized Blastocyst was implanted in the walls of the woman’s Uterus… @ of the 17 Major Textbooks Presently published still hold to the Pre-1960’s Position of Conception & Fertilization occurring together in the Fallopian Tubes…

The Act and similar Acts have been floating around the Halls of Congress for most of the lat 16 years. It, along with the Right to Life Amendment, often get traction when people get disgusted with the number of Abortions, and how they seem to be being used as a Way to Eliminate poor and minority people…
Are these enough for you? For everyone else, please review these links, and remember the “The Right to Choose” is the ONLY PHRASE we don’t finish. We never say what the “Choice” is - That the “Choice” is to take a Human Life, and that the deliberate taking of a Human Life is Murder, even when we tell those who do it the act is Legal. We can deny it all we want - Wanting to make it not kill the baby and harm the woman won’t make it not do these things…

In Christ, Michael
Thanks so much for the video links.

God Bless
 
Hi Traditional Ang,

I’m watching these videos in complete disbelief. I’m up to 5 of the 13 Maafa series, and had to stop, just to express my gratitude again. I could not possibly urge anyone reading this post enough of the importance of watching this series, which should be shown in every HS and College in the US.

God Bless you for propagating these videos on this forum!
 
I finished watching the 13 episode series on Youtube. I found the website and I’m ordering the DVD. For those interested:

maafa21.com/

God Bless
 
Some notations from the Maafa video. Most of us were aware that Margaret Sanger was a Eugenist, gave lectures before the KKK, headed the Negro Reduction Project and remarked that “Abortion should be illegal for whites, but mandatory for blacks”.

However, it was remarkable how thorough a job these filmmakers conducted, to have gone through all Nixon’s recently released (6/23/09) Watergate tapes. These tapes expose vicious racial comments concerning the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, such as;

“A majority of people in Colorado voted for abortion, I think a majority of people in Michigan are for abortion, I think in both cases, well, certainly in Michigan they will vote for it because they think that what’s going to be aborted generally are the little black bastards (NIXON Tape #697-29)”

“As I told you and we talked about it earlier, that a hell of a lot of people want to control all the Negro bastards” (NIXON TAPE 700-10).

saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/nixon-aborted-are-the-little-black-bastards/

Those are just two comments among many. The significance is that Planned Parenthood’s website praises Margaret Sanger as founder & hero and Nixon for his Family Planning support, conveniently leaving out that both had intentions of exterminating the black poplulation:

plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/history-and-successes.htm

Another thing is how Disney became a major financer of PP and received PP awards:

ppgo.org/education-1/our-programs/H.E.A.R.T/?searchterm=Disney

It is reprehensible that Disney World modeled its giant Tree of Life after Galton’s Eugenics Tree Diagram. Particularly when Francis Galton said in 1873: ““Average negroes possess too little intellect, self-reliance, and self-control to make it possible for them to sustain the burden of any respectable form of civilization without a large measure of external guidance and support”

God Bless
 
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