New Wine.

[Nelka]

We know that we are the new wine as opposed to the Jews that are the old wine.

I came across a verse in Joel and was wondering if it has anything to do with it?

Joel 1:5 Wake up, you drunkards, and weep! All you wine-bibbers, lament for the new wine: it has been snatched from your lips.

Thanks.

 

[ialsop]

We know that we are the new wine as opposed to the Jews that are the old wine.

I came across a verse in Joel and was wondering if it has anything to do with it?

Joel 1:5 Wake up, you drunkards, and weep! All you wine-bibbers, lament for the new wine: it has been snatched from your lips.

Thanks.

I believe so!

Joel was warning the Jews. Heed to the Messiah or you will no longer be the chosen race! It was a prophecy, that the Jews would crucify their own awaited Lord, and lose their status and covenant with God.

And in the Gospels Jesus refers a LOT to old testament phrases or concepts, and all the disciples would understand. I think his “new and old wine” concept was an allusion to this verse and prophecy,

But it has MORE than 1 meaning(liek MOST scripture). Along with saying the Christians are the NEW chosen people, it also is VERY sacramental. Wine is often an allusion to blood. (and thus life force, and a covenant). But blood…
The old wine then can mean the blood of the passover lamb and of other animal sacrifices. And that was ok for the old wine skins. But the covenant has shifted and been fulfilled now. The new wine, the new BLOOD, is the Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross and at Holy Mass. When we receive the cup at Mass, it is the new wine-blood.

Anybody else want to comment?

That is my interpretation, and that of many Church fathers.

 

[teeboy]

I believe so!

Joel was warning the Jews. Heed to the Messiah or you will no longer be the chosen race! It was a prophecy, that the Jews would crucify their own awaited Lord, and lose their status and covenant with God.

And in the Gospels Jesus refers a LOT to old testament phrases or concepts, and all the disciples would understand. I think his “new and old wine” concept was an allusion to this verse and prophecy,

But it has MORE than 1 meaning(liek MOST scripture). Along with saying the Christians are the NEW chosen people, it also is VERY sacramental. Wine is often an allusion to blood. (and thus life force, and a covenant). But blood…
The old wine then can mean the blood of the passover lamb and of other animal sacrifices. And that was ok for the old wine skins. But the covenant has shifted and been fulfilled now. The new wine, the new BLOOD, is the Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross and at Holy Mass. When we receive the cup at Mass, it is the new wine-blood.

Anybody else want to comment?

That is my interpretation, and that of many Church fathers.

Another allusion to the loss of the Jews is the widow. Communion is in the Catholic Sacraments and no longer in the Holy of Holies. The widowship is evident in the inability for the Jewish Temple to be rebuilt.

 

[ialsop]

Another allusion to the loss of the Jews is the widow. Communion is in the Catholic Sacraments and no longer in the Holy of Holies. The widowship is evident in the inability for the Jewish Temple to be rebuilt.

Very true!. Are you reflecting on any particular story, or just the image of a widow itself?

 

[TimothyH]

Water was mixed with wine for sanitary reasons, to kill bacteria in the water. New wine is wine which has not yet been mixed with water - not watered down.

Old wine is watered down, sometimes multiple times. God’s commandments had been watered down by the Jews.

-Tim-