News: "It's better to starve than accept homosexuality," says African cardinal in response to threats from the West to deny aid to his African country

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TANZANIA: Accepting Homosexuality is Denying God, Cardinal Pengo - Cisa News Africa

DAR-ES-SALAAM, DECEMBER 4, 2018 (CISA)-The Archbishop of Dar-es-Salaam, Polycarp Cardinal Pengo, has asked the Tanzanian government not to accept aid from western countries which come with conditions on homosexuality. According to AMECEA online news, the cardinal was speaking in November during...
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“It is better to die of hunger than to receive aid and to be compelled to do things that are contrary to God’s desire,” he said.
 
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I am curious what requirements western countries supposedly impose on humanitarian aid. The article is short on detail.

Can a western country demand, for example, that another country not imprison, torture, or kill homosexuals, as a condition for aid? @Mark121359, would such a policy count as rampant liberalism?
 
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Turning down foreign aid is probably the best thing an African county could do. Aid has increased corruption and ruined African farmers.
 
BoomerangToo said:
Turning down foreign aid is probably the best thing an African county could do. Aid has increased corruption and ruined African farmers.
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I don’t think this absolves us. It is more than right that aid, as it has been implemented on a wide scale, can have devastating effects locally. It’s a moral dilemma I struggle with.
 
On a certain level, we should be prepared to lay down our lives rather than commit any sin.

But again, the phrase “accept homosexuality” is rather broad—does it mean to abandon a thousands of years old sexual ethic? To decriminalize sexual acts between consenting adults? To teach gender ideology to kindergartners?
 
See the free documentary on YouTube called “farmlands” that’s where the real trouble is. Murder is far more evil than homosexuality. Hate speech against gays in Africa has been said to historically cause murder. I’ll hope to read something about an anti-murder campaign soon.

We are combatting radical Islam in Africa and this does not help.
 
Under normal circumstances, there is no reason for nation like Tanzania to starve. They have sufficient resources, manpower and land to produce their own food. If they are relying on foreign aid they are doing something wrong.
 
Preceding post: “Can a western country demand, for example, that another country not imprison, torture, or kill homosexuals, as a condition for aid?”

I don’t believe that there have been cases of African countries torturing or killing homosexuals. From what I have heard, they haven’t been imprisoning them either. I see your concern, this could have been a case of a violation of fundamental human rights, if it had actually happened.
 
What the WEST lacks is INTIMACY, w/ the rise and
proliferation of iphones and communication technology
we have been CUT OFF from the earthly creaturely com-
forts of speaking “face to face” See 2 John and 3 John.
That is why the rise in sexual intimacy BOTH of hetero
AND homosexual kind. But that is DISORDERED according
to the CCC 2338 et. al. See:
https://www.mncatholic.org/catechis...n-marriage-sexuality-and-same-sex-attraction/
What we need to address is the deep hunger
for intimacy, not just sexual, but brotherly and
sisterly. Also Adam was made “head over the
woman” only AFTER the fall!! see Gen. 3:16
Thus Adam was given the TASK of preserving
the DIGNITY of women and not to lust after
others but only his wife. Man has failed to do
this w/ the onset of pornography, using the
body as an object of sexual pleasure. That is
why homosexuality and lesbianism is so
popular!! IMHO
 
No one is forcing anyone to commit homosexual acts. I’m confused.

Sorry, but this doesn’t seem like good news to me.

The article needs to be more specific. When I read it, I hear “we’d rather starve to death than not discriminate against homosexuals.”

The cardinal brings up Sodom. Yes, the Bible is against homosexual acts. But no, homosexual activity is NOT the reason for Sodom’s destruction. Nearly every time it’s afterwards mentioned in the Bible, it has to do with lack of hospitality.
 
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theres a fundamental difference in how we in the west view certain passages and how people in an impoverished nation view certain passages. when you see the phrase “homosexuality is an abomination” you think “we shouldn’t let gays get married”. when people in poor african countries see that line, they think “ah, so if we get rid of the gays, things will be better”

the heavily christian areas of these countries trust their priests implicitly, and if they say things that can be seen as a call to violence for the betterment of their souls, they will absolutely do it

quick edit: homosexuality carries a death sentence in Mauritania, Sudan, northern Nigeria, and southern Somalia, with it being illegal (at least a fine/jail time) in 32 african countries
 
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Zimbabwe was a net exporter and the breadbasket of Africa, when it was known as Rhodesia.
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It also was a racist rouge state. I can pretty much predict what you will respond with; yes Mugabe’s Dictatorship and beyond is a disaster. You can only maintain a system of trait based inequality for so long. It rests on the white population for perpetuating that and the resulting rise of Mugabe.

The farms were white owned and made money using cheap black labor; this is in great part what made it the “bread basket” of Africa. The return to majority rule is not responsible for that part. So no, the performance of an economy does not justify racism or poor pay.
 
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The article needs to be more specific. When I read it, I hear “we’d rather starve to death than not discriminate against homosexuals.”
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I don’t know exactly what the article is referring to, however, I have heard that there are some Western counties & large private foundations are trying to tie financial aid to things like legalized abortion and legalized same sex “marriage.”

They put in language in an attempt to influence these African nations via more financial aid if they legalize things like abortion and same sex “marriage.”

Its things like this (and others) which the Africans call “ideological colonization.”
 
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Preceding post: quick edit: homosexuality carries a death sentence in Mauritania, Sudan, northern Nigeria, and southern Somalia, with it being illegal (at least a fine/jail time) in 32 african countries

However, in nearly all these countries in Africa the death penalty is not actually carried out: see 5 countries impose — or tolerate — death penalty for gay sex – Erasing 76 Crimes

If it was checked if this actually resulted in jail time in African countries, I expect that this would come up with similar interesting results.
 
Um absolutely not.

A Pope has the responsibility to unify the entire Catholic world.

Africa – or America, for that matter – does not represent the universal approach to all things Catholic.

Now, the deer Cardinal may be a fine man and pastor in his region. But frankly, you have to have a much larger outlook to lead a church of 1.2 billion that encompassed multiple attitudes and outlooks and cultures.
 
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don’t know exactly what the article is referring to, however, I have heard that there are some Western counties & large private foundations are trying to tie financial aid to things like legalized abortion and legalized same sex “marriage.”
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Then maybe it’s critically important to know what is being discussed.
 
Either way, I hope Cardinal is not offering Old Testament solutions to today’s problems.
 
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