News: "It's better to starve than accept homosexuality," says African cardinal in response to threats from the West to deny aid to his African country

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the issue is that old testament solutions tend to involve a lot of corpses, and they tend to be spearheaded by religious officials
 
islam is getting their turn at the insanity wheel. lets not pretend the church wasn’t power obsessed back in the day. christianity has been reformed and has been taken out of a more barbaric age (for the most part). islam has done virtually everything it can to maintain control, only they have modern age weapons now
 
So are you saying that Africans and Americans are unqualified to be pope? 🤨
 
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don’t know exactly what the article is referring to, however, I have heard that there are some Western counties & large private foundations are trying to tie financial aid to things like legalized abortion and legalized same sex “marriage.”
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I’m sorry, but this is not a very charitable post on your part. The article is NOT clear as to what specific policies the Cardinal is referring to. This is what I meant by “don’t know exactly what the article is referring to.”

However, it is FACT that many Western national and NGOs are attempting to use additional financial aid in order to influence (or bribe) African nations to legalize things like abortion & same sex marriage.

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Hello.

How I understand the opening post is that it’s wrong to give in to policies that imply homosexual acts are acceptable. They are not. They are grave, grave matter. I don’t think the Cardinal is saying don’t care about the homosexual person though. I think he’s saying love the sinner but hate the sin. I think there is confusion about this here - in the US - if someone criticizes us here we take that as complete rejection.

God loves us so much that He doesn’t want us to remain in a sinful state. Is that such a terrible thing?

We are all called to chastity and I think the Cardinal is making a point about that. God bless him.

I think it’s shameful that aid to needy countries should have conditions like accepting homosexuality. God will not be mocked.

I love that the Cardinal took the name of Polycarp.

My two cents.
 
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Here is some possibly useful information about Tanzania from the US Department of State:

https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...raveladvisories/tanzania-travel-advisory.html

And I quote:

Travel Advisory​

January 10, 2018

Tanzania - Level 2: Exercise Increased Caution​

Exercise increased caution in Tanzania due to crime, terrorism, and targeting of LGBTI persons .

Violent crime, such as assault, sexual assault, express kidnapping, mugging, and carjacking, is common. Local police may lack the resources to respond effectively to serious crime.

Terrorist groups continue plotting possible attacks in Tanzania. Terrorists may attack with little or no warning, targeting embassies, police stations, mosques, and other places frequented by Westerners.

Members of the LGBTI community have been arrested, targeted, harassed, and/or charged with unrelated offenses.
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Is that what Cardinal Pengo in Tanzania had in mind when he exhorted the faithful to reject homosexuality?
 
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May the Lord, God Almighty bring rain to your fields, seeds to plant to your village. May abundance surround you, as you stand w your God. May His mantle fall on you, so your Spirit sings the Word of the Lord in Love.
In Jesus name. Amen
 
Just as the IMF sometimes gives conditions for loans, so too western countries and corporations sometimes give conditions for aid, it can be something like don’t imprison or kill gay people (there are no laws that says gay people should be tortured), it can also be allow gay marriage, repeal any anti gay law, allow certain pro gay activities etc.

It is not liberalism, it is ideological colonialism, exporting the western ways by force , African countries don’t tell the west what to legislate, it is funny that western countries condition aid by forcing certain laws, gay marriage, gay ideology etc
 
When the west pushes homosexuality she usually pushes the whole thing, usually nobody goes breaking down doors to see what consenting adults do in their rooms until the west made it a topic. They wanted Africans to accept in public what is considered unacceptable according to African culture most African countries reacted in the opposite to what was been pushed.

marriage in Africa can’t be same sex and such relationships are not seen as having the blessing of the society that means they are supposed to be private.
 
To discriminate means to chose between two things, we discriminate every day and African customs discriminate Against homosexuality in favour of heterosexuals, gay marriage and public shows of such affection will be frowned upon, the Bible has a similar attitude towards homosexuality.
Secondly certain passages did refer to the sin of Sodom as bad hospitality, others as also refer to their homosexuality, the cardinal is not wrong.
 
PracticalCatholic usually has a more progressive or “Emergent Church” outlook on most social issues.
 
You just managed to accused Africans of badly interpreting scripture and somehow you’ve managed to blame it on been “improverished”…it almost sounds racist.

Worst still you are accusing catholic priests usually with over 4 year of training in theology of teaching this false interpretation and spreading violence which the seemingly dumb Africans usually accept… Come-on, where did you get this funny ideas from, how many years have you lived in Africa to justify this your opinion because it is really sad. This was the same idea card kasper implied in the last synod on the family and frankly it is disrespectful to all Africans and really ignorant.

Infact why not look within? Is your own society actually close to scripture on these topic?

For the avoidance of doubt, the Catholic Church in Africa does not teach anyone to be violent towards gay people, it certainly does not accept immoral sexual acts whether Homo or heterosexual nor does it accept gay marriage. But catholic priests do not go about advocating violence.
 
And for you rejecting homosexuality as pushed by the western world makes the cardinal narrow minded and unfit to take on global issues?
 
He might not die from hunger, Africans tend to be materially supportive of their pastors, but the church in Africa is usually very close to the common man certainly much more than the government, the Bishop will feel the strain of such hunger and he’ll personally know the victims, the church is usually the place people go for help in such event.
 
Context was story of Sodom.

The city was allegedly destroyed, via Cardinal and some CAF users above, because of homosexual vice. Whether or not that was the case, the point is: I do NOT think it’s wise to go out and destroy cities and kill people simply because they are homosexual or practicing homosexual!

OT solution involved a lot of stoning and killing!
 
Only if they are so myopic.

Context, people. Context. What is this thread about? Now apply that here. Pope Francis and this Cardinal might both be orthodox regarding Catholic teaching on sexuality (homosexuality here). But the former understands how to talk about it with the entire world in mind. The latter, merely going off the article above, does not.

As a gay person — who tries to be chaste and wants to follow Catholic teaching — I know I certainly don’t want the Pope talking about my same-sex attraction in that manner. Mentioning the destruction of Sodom? Are you kidding me?
 
“…if we are starving because we have refused to engage in such acts…”

I don’t understand what this means. I think I’m missing some important context.
 
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