News: "It's better to starve than accept homosexuality," says African cardinal in response to threats from the West to deny aid to his African country

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Not sure why that’s uncharitable.

I’m saying that all of us here shouldn’t assume one thing or another. We shouldn’t be defending the Cardinal, after all, if he’s talking about an unwillingness to give basic protections to homosexual persons.

After all, like some people have shared, many African countries reserve imprisonment and even resort to the death penalty for homosexual persons.

That is NOT ok.
 
A lot of vagueness there.

The article itself is not specific. This whole thread is not very substantial.
 
The cardinal did not say villages should be destroyed or people killed because of homosexuality, he did raise the case of Sodom to show that homosexuality is condemned in the Bible in no uncertain terms and he is correct.

Nor did he advocate the Old Testament solution of killing though I guess he could, he simply said African countries should not be forced to accept homosexual acts.
 
You would prefer that only nice things are mentioned and the unpleasant ones hidden? I have read the Card Jorge begogio go off in a similar fashion as bishop in Argentina referencing the devil severally. What the cardinal here has said isn’t even as colourful as the language the then cardinal Jorge was fond of. If that didn’t disqualify him I wonder why it disqualifies card pengo.

Good news, while card Jorge spoke he spoke in his context as bishop in Argentina, I expect when card pengo speaks he will speak in his context as bishop in Tanzania and won’t be using the hand holding style used in the west.

Good thing you are a practicing gay catholic But if the Pope can’t say clearly that the homosexual sexual acts are gravely immoral and no nation should force their acceptance on others (things Pope Francis has Clearly talked about), then maybe such pope is not worth his title.

The Sodom part is also in the Bible and referenced in the book of Jude I don’t think the church has a law preventing her priests from referencing it.
 
Personally, I’d rather not watch my family starve. But that’s just me. Maybe I didn’t have a proper formation.
 
you’d prefer to compromise why not accept the ideology been peddled and get some aid? Hunger is powerful, Esau sold his birthright for a meal
 
not OK according to who? The answer is a 21 century westerners.

Homosexual acts are punishable in certain cultures, you can’t decide it is not OK because your culture says so.

Your laws are not valid every where. You can’t decide you are right and they are wrong.
 
I think that the catch to this is that the Cardinal is
reacting to PRESSURE from the Western benefactors
to conform to THEIR standards. It’s based on colonial
mentality which African countries detest. They want
independence in their operations.
 
We can impose any requirements want for foreign aid. Sometimes it’s good: no more torture! Sometimes it’s bad: legalize artificial birth control (bad by Catholic standards, but, iirc, a requirement for funding to build a bridge in Latin America).

In addition, some foreign aid disrupts the local economy, as others have mentioned.
 
consider the Christian Ugandan Martyrs who refused the advances of their despot ruler and were all tortured and murdered.

This led to a huge conversion in Uganda and a wave of Catholicism on the African Continent.
http://www.buganda.com/martyrs.htm
 
AS they say, the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church
 
Don’t be confused. I was just giving the example of these martyrs and why they were martyred.

We are making the same point. I was using your point to make awareness of these martyrs to those who may not know of them , why they were martyred and what impact that had on the African continent and possibly the Cardinal’s stance.
 
that truly is a catch, the west can’t determine morality for everyone, a culture is persuaded to change by conviction of a better way not by aid ultimatum, in Africa gay marriage does not seem convincing as a better way… A good case could have been made against mob violence against homosexual which is actually criminal but imposition of morality simply rubs Africans the wrong way.
 
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