Newspaper Novenas

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We have all seen them. Prayers printed in the newspaper. “Never known to fail”. But you have to publish your own ad.

It seems to me like a chain letter.

What do others think?
Surely this can’t be approoved by the church?
 
We have all seen them. Prayers printed in the newspaper. “Never known to fail”. But you have to publish your own ad.

It seems to me like a chain letter.

What do others think?
Surely this can’t be approoved by the church?
I bought into it when I was young, and hey it worked at least once. It does sound like nothing more than superstition but if one’s faith is increased by it, I don’t know.
 
Pure superstition. The prayer is OK but the requirements attached to it and the “never failed” is pure bunk. It’s boxing God in. Just pray and ask for God’s will to be done.
 
Pure superstition. The prayer is OK but the requirements attached to it and the “never failed” is pure bunk. It’s boxing God in. Just pray and ask for God’s will to be done.
But wouldn’t you say the woman who touched the cloak of Christ, or those who put cloths and handkerchiefs on St. Paul, were also operating by superstition?
 
We have all seen them. Prayers printed in the newspaper. “Never known to fail”. But you have to publish your own ad.

It seems to me like a chain letter.

What do others think?
Surely this can’t be approoved by the church?
The Church does not promote such things as promising to publish if prayer is answered. That sounds like bribing a saint. 🙂

Prayer with faith is sufficient. And one doesn’t have to plant a plastic statue of St. Joseph on their property upside down to sell their home. Praying to him is enough.
 
The Church does not promote such things as promising to publish if prayer is answered. That sounds like bribing a saint. 🙂

Prayer with faith is sufficient. And one doesn’t have to plant a plastic statue of St. Joseph on their property upside down to sell their home. Praying to him is enough.
Although, even while I sit on the fence, doesn’t publishing your thanksgiving mean to be a form of evangelization? And yes, God will only grant what He wills for us.

And, I have always been disturbed by the idea of burying a statue of St. Joseph upside down!!!
 
We have all seen them. Prayers printed in the newspaper. “Never known to fail”. But you have to publish your own ad.

It seems to me like a chain letter.

What do others think?
Surely this can’t be approoved by the church?
These are based on superstitions, have nothing to do with them. It is one of Satan’s tricks.
 
I’ve never seen or heard of having prayers published in papers. Never heard of having a statue of St Joseph buried upside down in the garden. If I did that where I live I think I’d be carried off by the crazy people in white coats. Is there any fellow UK people heard of this? would like to know 🤷
 
While I have never done this myself it was my understanding that the publication was to futher the devotion to a particular saint not to “make” God answer that prayer. All prayers should be prayed God’s will be done. The rosary has promises with it as well and again we can not make God answer our prayer just because we prayed a rosary or a novena etc.
 
But wouldn’t you say the woman who touched the cloak of Christ, or those who put cloths and handkerchiefs on St. Paul, were also operating by superstition?
I would not say that. If it was only superstition, it would not have worked.
 
So if the newspaper novena worked, then it is not superstition?
It is still putting conditions on God. What if it doesn’t “work”. Then a person thinks that they said the prayer wrong, or that God doesn’t love them because the ad said this prayer never fails.What happens to their faith? Prayers are heard whether you publish them in the paper or leave 9 copies for 9 days in the church (which I have the duty to go around and throw out - talk about a waste of paper - save a tree and spend that time in prayer instead of at the printer and running to church to put them all over in the pews.)
 
I’ve never seen or heard of having prayers published in papers. Never heard of having a statue of St Joseph buried upside down in the garden. If I did that where I live I think I’d be carried off by the crazy people in white coats. Is there any fellow UK people heard of this? would like to know 🤷
It’s not so common in the UK, where we are a minority but if you look at Irish papers there are pages in the classifieds with loads of these novenas and thanksgivings. The St Joseph statue thing might be an Irish tradition (superstition?) as well.

I’ve always been a bit uneasy about the “never known to fail” thing. When we pray for a specific intention we should always recognise that’s it God’s will be done, not ours. I have prayed novenas that don’t seem to have been answered, but I know that God’s ways are not my ways and have to accept that He has better plans for me.

If I have a prayer answered I usually have a Mass in thanksgiving said - better the money goes to my priest than to a newspaper!
 
It is still putting conditions on God. What if it doesn’t “work”. Then a person thinks that they said the prayer wrong, or that God doesn’t love them because the ad said this prayer never fails.What happens to their faith? Prayers are heard whether you publish them in the paper or leave 9 copies for 9 days in the church (which I have the duty to go around and throw out - talk about a waste of paper - save a tree and spend that time in prayer instead of at the printer and running to church to put them all over in the pews.)
But what is bad about saying a prayer? Surely there is merit in saying a prayer correctly, otherwise the Roman Missal wouldn’t have been reviced recently.

Also, again, how does this relate to the woman touching Jesus’ cloak? If she touched His cloak and didn’t get healed, now what?
 
But what is bad about saying a prayer? Surely there is merit in saying a prayer correctly, otherwise the Roman Missal wouldn’t have been reviced recently.

Also, again, how does this relate to the woman touching Jesus’ cloak? If she touched His cloak and didn’t get healed, now what?
This is just my guess.

The woman reached out to touch Jesus’ cloak because she had great faith.

She did not do that gesture because someone told her that she needs to touch His cloak in order to be healed.
 
Prayer is super. But this sort of thing has alawys sounded to me like someone is selling newspaper ads, and doing quite well.
 
We have all seen them. Prayers printed in the newspaper. “Never known to fail”. But you have to publish your own ad.

It seems to me like a chain letter.

What do others think?
Surely this can’t be approoved by the church?
I actually had a conversation about this with my pastor, and he warned me against these notices along with the mindset of using a novena in the hope that “it will never fail” (although the novenas in themselves might be ok). If a newspaper novena happens to “work”, it’s because God willed that your wishes and intentions would be granted and not some magical power in the novena itself. That would lead it into the superstition category if we used it as such. :nope:

However, this isn’t to say one shouldn’t be grateful to God if a novena’s intentions are answered, and one may post a notice praising God and the particular saint if s/he so wishes (as far as I know). But to say in the notice that the novena will never “fail”? God’s intentions aren’t always our intentions, so in that sense, they will “fail” if God’s will isn’t the same as ours.
But what is bad about saying a prayer? Surely there is merit in saying a prayer correctly, otherwise the Roman Missal wouldn’t have been reviced recently.

Also, again, how does this relate to the woman touching Jesus’ cloak? If she touched His cloak and didn’t get healed, now what?
There’s nothing bad about saying prayers – of course we should pray! 😃 But again, remember what Jesus said to the woman in this case when she was healed: “But he said to her: Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go thy way in peace.” (Luke 8:48, D-R)

She wasn’t healed because she was thinking, “if I touch his cloak exactly at the hem of his garment where the linen thread is with the tip of my fingers, I will be fully and completely healed from my illness, but God forbid that I touch the seam instead!” She was healed because she fully believed in the power of Jesus coming through whatever He blessed – that is not superstition. And if she wasn’t healed when she touched Jesus, it would mean that God just didn’t plan to heal her at that moment. (Or in the case of St. Paul in Acts 19:11–12 – or with any saint & their relics – it’s because God is working through the sanctity of that person to bless and help people conform to God’s will, as this link says – again, similar to the woman who touched Jesus’ cloak.)

As an example from my own experience, I have offered Mass Intentions with the hope that they would heal people from brain cancer and the like, but some of them die anyway, despite my wishes to the contrary. Was my Mass offering superstitious? No – it was an act of charity and a complete trust in God, knowing that I had no say in whether they would be cured or not and that I was completely dependent on God’s Will & Divine Mercy.

Regarding your other point, the Bishops revised the English version of the OF Missal because after many years, they thought that the liturgical prayers should state our key beliefs in a more refined and straightforward matter (especially when it comes to discrepancies between the original Latin text and the English translation). For example, take note of the link here and see how the present text is now more lined up with what was said in the EF (although, of course, they’re still not the same, but it’s a start :)).

Again, the “lex orandi, lex credendi” maxim is the reason why there are Mass/Divine Liturgy rubrics – it’s not because the priests are superstitious in saying the exact thing. Rather, it’s because by praying, we express what we believe about God, ourselves, and our relationship towards the Divine and the Sacraments/Mysteries (which is exactly why saying that “it will never fail” on a notice is not good, because it distorts our knowledge of spiritual reality).
 
It’s not so common in the UK, where we are a minority but if you look at Irish papers there are pages in the classifieds with loads of these novenas and thanksgivings. The St Joseph statue thing might be an Irish tradition (superstition?) as well.
Yes the statue thing is quite popular in Ireland. If you are trying to sell your home, your bury St Joseph upside down in the garden…never fails allegedly!!!

If you are getting married and want the weather to be nice and sunny on the day, you leave a statue of the “Child of Prague” out in the garden the night before. I am told it works best if the head of the statue is broken!!!

I never cease to be amazed at some of the otherwise sensible people who have done this.

What happened to a heartfelt prayer and “Thy will be done”
 
Are you talking about those novenas seen sometimes in churches that mention something about leaving a certain number of copies of the novena in the church or whatever? I never did buy into that.
 
It’s not so common in the UK, where we are a minority but if you look at Irish papers there are pages in the classifieds with loads of these novenas and thanksgivings. The St Joseph statue thing might be an Irish tradition (superstition?) as well.

I’ve always been a bit uneasy about the “never known to fail” thing. When we pray for a specific intention we should always recognise that’s it God’s will be done, not ours. I have prayed novenas that don’t seem to have been answered, but I know that God’s ways are not my ways and have to accept that He has better plans for me.

If I have a prayer answered I usually have a Mass in thanksgiving said - better the money goes to my priest than to a newspaper!
Don’t know if thg St.Joseph syatue thing is I rish or not, but from I’ve heard it it started during the '30’s at a house that someone wanting to buy a house. 😛 😉
 
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