Next Ecumenical council

[Wandile]

What do you think hunk are the most pressing issues the church would need to address? Personally:

1. I would first of all have it be a dogmatic council condemn the errors of modernism, relativism, women priesthood, LGBT and all that comes with that, polygamy (African church) and any other pressing issues attatched with anathemas.
2. reaffirm the real presence, reaffirm the traditional teaching on the indisollubility of marriage and completely anathemeitize the Kasper proposal and excommunicate any sympathizers.
3. I would grant eastern churches full autonomy including ordination of bishops and clergy outside their own territories.
4. reform the liturgy and return all worship to ad orientem, increase the use of incense, return the old canon of the mass ad remove all other Eucharistic prayers, restore pomp on dress and encourage statues, icons and catholic devotions. Lastly I would minimize the optionality of then Ordinary form and make it strictly rubrical in which it can only be said one way. I would reinstate the St Michael prayer at the end of mass.

Finally I would remove all restrictions on the Extraordinary form as commanded by Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI

1. Reemphasise emphatically Extra ecclesiam nulla salus and explicitly dispel Amy misunderstandings that could lead to branches theory.

The council would be held in Rome in the Archbasilica of St John Lateran.

What would you want from this council?

 

[Padres1969]

Why is this in non-Catholic Religions? It seems you’re referring to a Roman Catholic Ecumenical Council.

 

[peter26]

1. I would first of all have it be a dogmatic council condemn the errors of modernism, relativism, women priesthood, LGBT and all that comes with that, polygamy (African church) and any other pressing issues attatched with anathemas.

Yes!

1. reaffirm the real presence, reaffirm the traditional teaching on the indisollubility of marriage and completely anathemeitize the Kasper proposal and excommunicate any sympathizers.

Yes!

1. I would grant eastern churches full autonomy including ordination of bishops and clergy outside their own territories.

A little unsure about this, personally I’d like to see consultation with the local Latin bishops when expanding into their territory, mainly to keep everyone on the same page.

1. reform the liturgy and return all worship to ad orientem, increase the use of incense, return the old canon of the mass ad remove all other Eucharistic prayers, restore pomp on dress and encourage statues, icons and catholic devotions. Lastly I would minimize the optionality of then Ordinary form and make it strictly rubrical in which it can only be said one way. I would reinstate the St Michael prayer at the end of mass. Finally I would remove all restrictions on the Extraordinary form as commanded by Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI

Get’s my vote. While we are at it, can we bring back altar rails?

1. Reemphasise emphatically Extra ecclesiam nulla salus and explicitly dispel Amy misunderstandings that could lead to branches theory.

I think this would be counter productive given increasingly amicable relations with other Christian groups, Anglicans Lutherans and and Orthodox in particular. But I would support affirming the necessity of faith in Jesus for salvation.

The council would be held in Rome in the Archbasilica of St John Lateran.

I’d go with somewhere new personally. Perhaps in a country that is rife with liberal sentiments. Maybe California. Hold it in San Fransisco and call it the First Franciscan Council.

What would you want from this council?

Well I think you’ve pretty much covered it. An encouragement to make regular use of Latin for at least part of the Mass would be good.

 

[Lenten_ashes]

How about being more understanding and inclusive to converts to the faith?

Meaning, if you come to the Church with baggage, you use common sense reforms to get them cleaned up QUICKER so they can received at Easter Vigil with everyone else and not treated like a outsider for 2 years.

Example, you have a convert who was non baptized and got “married” in Las Vegas on a dare. He divorced a week later. This should take the Church about 2.2 seconds to annul, instead of a entire year. Let’s act like we actually want people to become Catholic.

Agree with the OP on everything else. More incense please.

 

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[DaveBj]

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I’d go with somewhere new personally. Perhaps in a country that is rife with liberal sentiments. Maybe California. Hold it in San Fransisco and call it the First Franciscan Council.

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[grannymh]

Why is this in non-Catholic Religions? It seems you’re referring to a Roman Catholic Ecumenical Council.

It is proper in the Non-Catholic Religions Forum because of the protocol of the visible Catholic Church on earth.

When a major Catholic Council is called into being, its protocol includes intensive preparations which examine the writings of the Early Church Fathers, Apostles, theologians, philosophers, the liturgy, the entire Bible, letters, informal writings, previous decisions about a particular doctrine until everyone’s eyes hurt. Obviously, not everyone searches all the possibilities above. Obviously, there are many people, regardless of their Faith or non-Faith, who can give decent perspectives on the topics to be discussed. Intelligence is an universal gift. It is most important to understand the objections to some doctrines.

Catholics are united with all Christians in a variety of ways.

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

This is not so much a call for a Council as it is for a time machine. Hurling anathemas and excommunications at people went out quite a while ago.

 

[CB_Catholic]

This is not so much a call for a Council as it is for a time machine. Hurling anathemas and excommunications at people went out quite a while ago.

No it’s a call for someone’s personal preferences to be made mandatory. Not the stuff an Ecumenical council is called for.

 

[Tim_D]

This is not so much a call for a Council as it is for a time machine. Hurling anathemas and excommunications at people went out quite a while ago.

No it’s a call for someone’s personal preferences to be made mandatory. Not the stuff an Ecumenical council is called for.

Both of you are exactly right.

I wonder what makes a person think that one day a pope will just wake up and issue an “order” that every parish, priest and bishop must resort to previous liturgy of the Mass. I also wonder why such a person would think that such an action would be of benefit to anyone (other than themselves, naturally).

 

[Wandile]

This is not so much a call for a Council as it is for a time machine. Hurling anathemas and excommunications at people went out quite a while ago.

You will be surprised. All it takes is one traditional pope. Anathemas are part and parcel of dogmatic councils.

 

[peter26]

You will be surprised. All it takes is one traditional pope. Anathemas are part and parcel of dogmatic councils.

Exactly. Say the wonderful Cardinal Robert Sarah was the next pope. Some of the measures do to with the liturgy mentioned (in particular a return to Ad Orientem) would probably happen.

 

[Contarini]

Well, if I had my druthers the next Council would declare that women can be ordained.

But the Church isn’t about my druthers.

Which is why the OP is rather silly.

Edwin

 

[peter26]

If a council declared that women could be ordained, all it would accomplish is to prove the long standing protestant assertion that councils err.

 

[saellis]

Maybe let the dust settle from Vatican II before calling for another Council to grant us all our fondest wishes.

 

[Wandile]

Well, if I had my druthers the next Council would declare that women can be ordained.

But the Church isn’t about my druthers.

Which is why the OP is rather silly.

Edwin

Rather silly? It’s just a discussion on what’s people would want to be discussed at the next council. You don’t have to agree. I was hoping for diversified response.

This is just plain condescending

 

[Wandile]

Maybe let the dust settle from Vatican II before calling for another Council to grant us all our fondest wishes.

The dust has settled. Vatican II failed (something people are afraid to admit) as many Ecumenical Councils have. The truth is the Church needs an urgent reform and a dogmatic council could do that.

The new younger priests are more open to the possibility that Vatican II was flawed and at times problematically ambiguous. These priests look to prior councils like Vatican I and Trent as well as tradition for guidance. Vatican II has some good fruits but the new generation of priests are not blinded by the praise heaped on it by the older generation. They see it for what it was, a well intentioned council that didn’t meet its expectations and has some problems that need to be addressed.

Younger priests are a lot more conservative and traditional , Thanks be to God.

 

[Wandile]

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After 3 minutes!?!? Holy cats!

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[Tim_D]

Exactly. Say the wonderful Cardinal Robert Sarah was the next pope. Some of the measures do to with the liturgy mentioned (in particular a return to Ad Orientem) would probably happen.

Bishops are the authority of the liturgy in their diocese. The most a pope would do about ad orientem is to make a suggestion and leave it up to the bishops to implement* if possible*. Not all churches are built the same way and a bishop is a better authority as to what is needed by the congregation, not the pope.