NFP and Asthma

[larry85704]

Well, I got married in the Church. One of the questions is that you must be open to having children. I am pretty sure if you answer no then you are going to get additional time with the person that asked you the question. I’ll assume that a couple that cannot have children for medical reasons, such as asthma, would have to say no.

I doubt if too many people say no, and those that do probably get married anyway. But if it wasn’t important why ask?

The Church has always held that you are supposed to have kids if you get married. It is a major reason why the Church does not like birth control. But, the Church kinda got boxed into a corner on BC. They teach that you can practice NFP but not to the extent that you never have kids.

I am not a lawyer and I don’t do annulments, but I strongly suspect entering into a marriage where you conceal the truth that you’ll have no kids would be grounds for annulment. Seems like it would invalidate the contract.

And, ultimately, you have kids if God wants you to. BC or not.

 

[Incomplete]

Well, I got married in the Church. One of the questions is that you must be open to having children. I am pretty sure if you answer no then you are going to get additional time with the person that asked you the question. I’ll assume that a couple that cannot have children for medical reasons, such as asthma, would have to say no.

I doubt if too many people say no, and those that do probably get married anyway. But if it wasn’t important why ask?

The Church has always held that you are supposed to have kids if you get married. It is a major reason why the Church does not like birth control. But, the Church kinda got boxed into a corner on BC. They teach that you can practice NFP but not to the extent that you never have kids.

I am not a lawyer and I don’t do annulments, but I strongly suspect entering into a marriage where you conceal the truth that you’ll have no kids would be grounds for annulment. Seems like it would invalidate the contract.

And, ultimately, you have kids if God wants you to. BC or not.

It’s not so much that you’re supposed to have kids as it is that you are supposed to be open to having kids. There’s a difference. If there wasn’t, the Church would never marry couples past the age of fertility.

 

[Rence]

Well, I got married in the Church. One of the questions is that you must be open to having children. I am pretty sure if you answer no then you are going to get additional time with the person that asked you the question. I’ll assume that a couple that cannot have children for medical reasons, such as asthma, would have to say no.

Yes, you’re right. But if there’s a medical condition going on, they can still get married. Also, as you know (I’m sure I don’t have to tell you) using NFP is basically a cycle to cycle decision. Each time, you’re discerning (either consciously or unconsiously) whether or not it’s okay to abstain or go ahead and risk a pregnancy, no matter what you’re serious reason for using NFP is.

The Church has always held that you are supposed to have kids if you get married. It is a major reason why the Church does not like birth control. But, the Church kinda got boxed into a corner on BC. They teach that you can practice NFP but not to the extent that you never have kids.

If you have just reasons for using NFP indefinitely you can. But you have to STILL be open to life. There are people out there who are using NFP indefinitely and legitimately due to serious health reasons of the mother, and that’s allowed. But she she still has to be open to life. Believe me, you can’t dupe God

I am not a lawyer and I don’t do annulments, but I strongly suspect entering into a marriage where you conceal the truth that you’ll have no kids would be grounds for annulment. Seems like it would invalidate the contract.

Yes, you’re right again. But saying people don’t want to have kids due to a unmanaged, or yet to be managed, medical condition, or monetary reasons, etc. it’s not usually a perpetual situation. I can’t see how it can be with NFP. I can see how someone with severe health problems can try, but I can’t see how someone without a GOOD reason not join with their spouse on days they want it most will just not do so without a good reason. I think that’s why NFP is effective for people who need it, and effective for being within the teachings of the Church.

And, ultimately, you have kids if God wants you to. BC or not.

Yep

 

[manualman]

Actually I’m fairly sure that it is long standing teaching that if one or both of the couples enters the marriage with the deliberate intent to NEVER have children, that is considered a defective intent. I.e. no marriage occurrs, it is null (and eligible to make it official with an annullment).

Note that this is different than entering a marriage knowing that children CAN’T occur (age, sterility, etc). Intent is the difference.

 

[larry85704]

You guys are freaking me out. I am not used to people agreeing with me. I think maybe some of you are. I had a girlfriend that had a serious medical condition at birth. She lost her arms and legs because of it. Now she got married and had a child. The child is now grown and in college and dating. Giving her the grief she gave her parents. My point is that you do not have to believe the doctors.

But, I maintain that you shouldn’t get married with the honest intention of never having kids for any reason. I maintain that, although you can have the wedding, you cannot have the Sacrament of Matrimony if you are of the mind that you will never have children. If you have not entered into a valid marriage why worry about birth control.

Isn’t that like a naked man worried about not wearing a hat?