NFP and Contraceptives

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Hey Guys,

Quick question:

I understand we are not allowed to used contraceptives, therefore NFP is promoted.

However, naturally. as two loving couple, you make love ongoing. Anyways, what if you have many kids and you cannot afford to have more kids, financially etc. Is using contraceptives in this situation not allowed?

Secondly, isnt NFP and contraceptives nearly the same thing, I mean you are avoiding conception in both cases, what difference does it make where one is used without a contraceptive, and the other is used with a contraceptive?

Please let me know. THanks
 
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Polska:
Hey Guys,

Quick question:

I understand we are not allowed to used contraceptives, therefore NFP is promoted.

However, naturally. as two loving couple, you make love ongoing. Anyways, what if you have many kids and you cannot afford to have more kids, financially etc. Is using contraceptives in this situation not allowed?

Secondly, isnt NFP and contraceptives nearly the same thing, I mean you are avoiding conception in both cases, what difference does it make where one is used without a contraceptive, and the other is used with a contraceptive?

Please let me know. THanks
There are a number of ongoing threads on this topic so you might want to read and join them but the short answer to one of your questions is that it is NOT permitted under any circumstanes to use contraceptives.

CCC 2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil.

Contraception is considered intrinsically evil and that would seem to make practising it a mortal sin.
 
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Polska:
Hey Guys,

Quick question:

I understand we are not allowed to used contraceptives, therefore NFP is promoted.

However, naturally. as two loving couple, you make love ongoing. Anyways, what if you have many kids and you cannot afford to have more kids, financially etc. Is using contraceptives in this situation not allowed?

Secondly, isnt NFP and contraceptives nearly the same thing, I mean you are avoiding conception in both cases, what difference does it make where one is used without a contraceptive, and the other is used with a contraceptive?

Please let me know. THanks
Avoiding pregnancy for good reasons is not a sin. The sin is distorting the marital act, through the use of contraception, so that it is no longer what it was meant to be…a total self giving that is both unitive and procreative.
 
Some significant differences between NFP and ABC (artificial birth control):
  • NFP cooperates with God’s natural law design of fertility, while ABC acts against (hence, “contra-ception”) God’s design for fertility and marital love.
  • NFP does not violate the moral law of our human sexuality, ABC *does *seriously violate (act against) the moral law of our sexuality.
  • NFP does not remove a couple from the responsibility of responsible parenthood, ABC removes a couple from exercising responsible parenthood as co-creators with God.
As already pointed out, there is no moral exception for ever introducing contraceptive intercourse into the sacramental marital union, because ABC is an intrinsic evil:

**1789 **Some rules [for making a moral choice] apply in every case:
  • One may never do evil so that good may result from it; (Catechism of the Catholic Church)
 
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felra:
NFP cooperates with God’s natural law design of fertility, )
When used to prevent children, NFP goes against the primary purpose of marriage which is the procreation of children. According to Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubi:

“Since, therefore, the conjugal act is destined primarily by nature for the begetting of children, those who in exercising it deliberately frustrate its natural powers and purpose sin against nature and commit a deed which is shameful and intrinsically vicious.”
NFP, when used to prevent children, has the same purpose as ABC, namely to defeat the primary purpose of marriage. The idea behind both ABC and NFP, when used to prevent children, is to have intimate marital relations, but to avoid having children, i.e., to defeat the natural primary purpose of marriage.
 
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stanley123:
When used to prevent children, NFP goes against the primary purpose of marriage which is the procreation of children. According to Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubi:

“Since, therefore, the conjugal act is destined primarily by nature for the begetting of children, those who in exercising it deliberately frustrate its natural powers and purpose sin against nature and commit a deed which is shameful and intrinsically vicious.”
NFP, when used to prevent children, has the same purpose as ABC, namely to defeat the primary purpose of marriage. The idea behind both ABC and NFP, when used to prevent children, is to have intimate marital relations, but to avoid having children, i.e., to defeat the natural primary purpose of marriage.
Finish the sentence, stanley. When there are serious considerations, medical, psychological, or financial, NFP – which frustrates nothing of nature, because not having sexual relations is not the same as having unnatural sexual relations – may be used morally. (HV 16)

Without knowledge of NFP, it would be perfectly licit and moral for a couple never to engage in sexual relations at all when a pregnancy could be life-endangering or could seriously drain resources (physical and psychological) from some aspect of life, such as the demands of caring for a child with extraordinary illnesses and special needs.
 
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stanley123:
When used to prevent children, NFP goes against the primary purpose of marriage which is the procreation of children. According to Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubi:

“Since, therefore, the conjugal act is destined primarily by nature for the begetting of children, those who in exercising it deliberately frustrate its natural powers and purpose sin against nature and commit a deed which is shameful and intrinsically vicious.”
NFP, when used to prevent children, has the same purpose as ABC, namely to defeat the primary purpose of marriage. The idea behind both ABC and NFP, when used to prevent children, is to have intimate marital relations, but to avoid having children, i.e., to defeat the natural primary purpose of marriage.
Uhmmmm, …please convince me how loving, intelligently chosen marital continence in service of responsible parenthood, is even remotely the same as having contraceptive intercourse --“those who in exercising it [conjugal act] deliberately frustrate its natural powers and purpose”–, especially when one (ABC) utilizes an intrisic evil as a means to and end.

Here is a citation from the Catechism of the Catholic Church to clarify and dispel your argument that “the idea behind” (intention/functional purpose) some how renders an illegitimate conjugal act equal moral parity with a legitimate conjugal act:

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****2399 ****The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception). (CCC)
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Polska:
Hey Guys,

Quick question:

I understand we are not allowed to used contraceptives, therefore NFP is promoted.

However, naturally. as two loving couple, you make love ongoing.
You make love ongoing? Periodic abstainence is permitable and in the encouragment of NFP, it is permitable to abstain for the reason of postponing pregnancy. In using NFP, you use modern methods of fertility awareness to help you make your decisions each day as a couple as to whether or not you engage in marital relations or not.

This decision should not be made as a “We will not have sex during fertile times for the next two years.” Every couple who does it this way, still violates Church teaching and are thus using NFP as a contraceptive. Every couple I know who’ve tried to do it this way end up hating NFP go one of two routes. They either open themselves up to more children and do it the right way or they surcomb to the temptation to use contraceptives.

The couple, rather should use the fertility awareness taught in NFP to make their day by day sexual decisions. The fact that a woman sexually peeks when she is most fertile creates two pressures. The desire for the woman to have sex is most intense at this time. She also appears more attractive to her husband than she does at any other time during the month. This leads to a strong desire to engage in sexual relations. But the awareness of that in all liklihood they will get pregnant, the couple has to compete with logic that they may not be able to emotionally, economically, etc provide for their current children and/or future children if they get pregnant now.

Thus each time this occurs, the couple reevaluates their reasons for abstaining or engaging in marital relations. The process works to purify their hearts of lust and thus purifies their sexual desires and makes them more completely the act of total self donation the act should be.

– what if you have many kids and you cannot afford to have more kids, financially etc. Is using contraceptives in this situation not allowed?–

Using contraceptives is not allowed in any situation. It can be argued that an unmarried woman can go on the birth control pill for serious health reasons, but there is iffy ground with married couples as the temptation to embrace the contraceptive mentality and also the fact that the pill on some ocassions acts an an abortificant. In that case, most are adviced to use the pill only when all other treatments have been exaporated.
 
Secondly, isnt NFP and contraceptives nearly the same thing, I mean you are avoiding conception in both cases, what difference does it make where one is used without a contraceptive, and the other is used with a contraceptive?
Many people have difficulty understanding this and I have honestly come to the conclusion that some are so enormored by biased by sin that they are completely in the dark as to what the difference is.

The difference is simple. In one, you deny yourself sex when you want it. In the other, you take steps to make each other artifically infertile in order to avoid self denial. This self denial has value and the difference and it is the self denial which the Catholic Church embrasses not just in sexuality but in its practices such as its lenten fasts. The Church understands that self denial helps cultivate virtue.

I’ll give you this story since Christ works with stories so much.

There are two men who deep down like food.

The one man eats a balanced diet. He denies himself that extra bit of cake. He makes himself eat foods that he doesn’t generally care for. He works out regardless that it is painful or he’s not in the mood. He comes out fit and healthy.

The second guy refuses to deny himself. He tries eating low fat cake, but eats about two of them at once and eats the same amount of calories. He tries vomiting up his food after he’s eaten too big of a meal. He takes diet pills to speed up his motabolism. He tries even putting food in his mouth and chewing it and spitting it out before it goes down his throat because he knows he needs to be concerned about his weight. He gets overweight and has a lyposcution. Heck, he even has plastic surgury to give him the allusion of having well defined muscles even though he hasn’t made the effort to develop them.

This isn’t an analogy of procreation. This is an analogy of the value of sacrifice. The first man is physically more healthy than the second man, even if the second man has found a way to have an outward appearence of health.

The same is true spiritually. To deny ourselves sex for good reason is like denying ourselves that chocolate cake that may taste good but at that moment isn’t good for us. A couple who practices NFP have the great oppertunity to cultivate the virtue of chastity. They become spiritually more healthy than the couple who uses contraceptives.

The Church believes that contraceptives encourage lust, encourage selfishness and makes that individuals blind to such faults. It gives them a lack of prudence. They easily rationalizing denying the begetting of more children than they need to deny for any reasonable reason. Moreover it hurts the martial act in the same way that vomiting after a meal hurts our throats and erodes our teeth.

It is not enough that the couple merely learn NFP and avoid contraceptives. A couple will have poor results spiritually if they refuse to surcomb to the pressures to open their hearts more. It is GOOD that a couple who originally thought they could only handle two kids decides one day because the desire to have sex is so strong, that that their reasoning to postpone pregnancy was selfish, that they can stretch themselves more and be open to another child. That’s why couples who practice NFP and LIKE NFP also tend to have larger families. Its not because the method fails to prevent the bearing of children, its that the method promotes an openness to life and an openness of heart to what the sexual act truly is supposed to be, the complete self donation of self to the other.
 
Here it is in a nutshell:

Those who use contraception change the love-making from a mutually giving act into a mutually TAKING act. It becomes an act merely of indulgence and it tends to be more and moreso as time and repeatedness go on. That’s why it is sinful.

Those who use NFP must make a sacrifice (abstinence) in the fertile times which tends to nudge the couple back towards openess to new life instead of towards merely mutually lustful behavior (like ABC does).

Sex is chaste only when it is a mutually giving act. When ABC is used it is neither procreative NOR unitive (as it was intended to be).

Read author Christopher West for a better explanation.
 
I haven’t seen anyone point out the one thing about NFP that separates it completely from contraception:

It can also be used to ***get ***pregnant!
 
Is using contraceptives a mortal sin? I mean, its just hard not to use contraceptives, and abstain, especially at my age. I am not going around and having sex with everyone, but only one person, who also I am not married too. Seems like a difficult topic for me because of all the pressures of society, and on the other hand, the pressures of religion and church. I have a battle in my mind to understand the logic of why I cannot use contraceptives if they aim for the same thing, no kids.

I mean, I cannot have kids now, I am in school in university.
 
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Polska:
Is using contraceptives a mortal sin?
It is always a gravely disordered act. When done with full knowledge and consent, yes it is a mortal sin.
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Polska:
I mean, its just hard not to use contraceptives, and abstain, especially at my age.
This is a matter of discipline-- a matter that is serious. “It’s just so hard not to…” is not a reason. All sins pull at us as humans infected with original sin. This same thing could be said for any and all sins-- but we are called to overcome them. Sin does not master us-- we are redeemed. We can master sin.
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Polska:
I am not going around and having sex with everyone, but only one person, who also I am not married too.
Well, that in itself is the mortal sin of fornication. Stop having sex outside marriage-- that eliminates the supposed “need” for contraception. Sex belongs inside marriage, where children are welcome. You are misusing God’s gift of sex when you distort his gift and use it for non-marital intercourse.
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Polska:
Seems like a difficult topic for me because of all the pressures of society, and on the other hand, the pressures of religion and church.
Do not allow “society” to pressure you. You know that the Church is our sure guide and the way to Heaven. Do not listen to the lies of th world.
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Polska:
I have a battle in my mind to understand the logic of why I cannot use contraceptives if they aim for the same thing, no kids.
Well, first of all, NFP is for use inside marriage. The goal within marriage of spacing and planning children is not the same as the goal of a person having sex outside of marriage-- which is personal pleasure and avoiding consequences. No one here understood your question to include illicit premarital sex.

When using NFP you are not altering the sex act, you are respecting God’s plan for the sex act within your marriage. You are using NFP for a legitimate purpose within marriage.

To use NFP in a premarital sexual relationship makes no sense because the premarital relationship itself is mortally sinful.
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Polska:
I mean, I cannot have kids now, I am in school in university.
Then stop having sex.
 
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Polska:
Is using contraceptives a mortal sin? I mean, its just hard not to use contraceptives, and abstain, especially at my age. I am not going around and having sex with everyone, but only one person, who also I am not married too. Seems like a difficult topic for me because of all the pressures of society, and on the other hand, the pressures of religion and church. I have a battle in my mind to understand the logic of why I cannot use contraceptives if they aim for the same thing, no kids.

I mean, I cannot have kids now, I am in school in university.
Polska, God love you. You are in a serious deficit of knowledge and understanding on this issue. Go back over this thread and read some of the resources mentioned, especially the Christopher West material – he has a web page.

You are right. It IS a difficult topic for you. The place you need to start developing your understanding is not with contraception but with the sin of fornication. Do not ever say to your equally unenlightened girlfriend (or boyfriend): contraception is a sin, so let’s have sex without it. Duh! You’re probably not that stupid, but believe me, that rationale has been used by “Catholics.” Gets ‘em into a heap o’ trouble!

Think of it this way: sex makes babies. The main purpose of sex is to make babies (although there are a lot of other fantastic perks that go with it). If you can’t have a baby because you’re in school, then you must not do that thing which makes babies.

Cyber hug for ya, Polska. But puh-leeeze! Get your act together before you mess up your life.
 
Few sins have the potential to mess up your life forever like fornication. I have no idea if you are a guy or woman, but hear me out.

Sex outside of marriage will make you feel artificially close to whomever you are with. It makes it all but impossible to know if this is really the person you should be with forever or not. It automatically tilts you towards yes. Even when the answer should be NO WAY!

This is, IMO, how many (maybe most) bad marriages get started. People become physically initimate to the point where they are unable to see that they have little or no ability to be relationally intimate. Keeping this in mind won’t help. If you are having sex with someone, you cannot safely determine your lifelong compatibility. Stop it.

Sins aren’t sins because God can’t stand you having fun. They are forbidden because they have the potential to destroy you!
 
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Polska:
Is using contraceptives a mortal sin? I mean, its just hard not to use contraceptives, and abstain, especially at my age. I am not going around and having sex with everyone, but only one person, who also I am not married too. Seems like a difficult topic for me because of all the pressures of society, and on the other hand, the pressures of religion and church. I have a battle in my mind to understand the logic of why I cannot use contraceptives if they aim for the same thing, no kids.

I mean, I cannot have kids now, I am in school in university.
It sounds like you simply want the pleasure and intimacy of sex without the responsibility. Your rationalizations ring hollow (…“if I am going to have sex anyways, might as well use contraception”; …“I am only fornicating with one person …as if this constitutes a less grievious sin of fornication than having multiple pre-marital sexual partners”; “I have a battle in my mind to understand the logic of why I cannot use contraceptives…” …you sound already captured and resigned to willfully committing the sin of fornication) against the standard that Jesus established and entrusted to the Catholic Church to uphold for all generations.

A few thoughts your way: you are not the first one to have a counter-cultural struggle as a Christian. This struggles evidences that the Holy Spirit is stirring and enlightening your conscience that pre-marital sex is sinful choice. It is all but impossible to remain on the fence on this issue – to live a life pleasing to Jesus (i.e., not commiting the serious sin of fornication), one must be decisive to declare themself entirely for Jesus, lest you will continually expose yourself to the occassion for sin (in this area) and eventully lose the battle. Your choice of friends will largely determine and drive your moral lifestyle choices. Jesus accepts you where you are at, but loves you too much to leave your where you are at. Jesus does not smile upon his children engaging in pre-marital sex whatever the societal context.

As St. Paul pointed in the bible, this battle in the mind involves more than just cultural trends, but …
“For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.” (Ephesians 6:12)
 
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the-3rd-parent:
Many people have difficulty understanding this and I have honestly come to the conclusion that some are so enormored by biased by sin that they are completely in the dark as to what the difference is.

The difference is simple. In one, you deny yourself sex when you want it. In the other, you take steps to make each other artifically infertile in order to avoid self denial. This self denial has value and the difference and it is the self denial which the Catholic Church embrasses not just in sexuality but in its practices such as its lenten fasts. The Church understands that self denial helps cultivate virtue.

I’ll give you this story since Christ works with stories so much.

There are two men who deep down like food.

The one man eats a balanced diet. He denies himself that extra bit of cake. He makes himself eat foods that he doesn’t generally care for. He works out regardless that it is painful or he’s not in the mood. He comes out fit and healthy.

The second guy refuses to deny himself. He tries eating low fat cake, but eats about two of them at once and eats the same amount of calories. He tries vomiting up his food after he’s eaten too big of a meal. He takes diet pills to speed up his motabolism. He tries even putting food in his mouth and chewing it and spitting it out before it goes down his throat because he knows he needs to be concerned about his weight. He gets overweight and has a lyposcution. Heck, he even has plastic surgury to give him the allusion of having well defined muscles even though he hasn’t made the effort to develop them.

This isn’t an analogy of procreation. This is an analogy of the value of sacrifice. The first man is physically more healthy than the second man, even if the second man has found a way to have an outward appearence of health.

The same is true spiritually. To deny ourselves sex for good reason is like denying ourselves that chocolate cake that may taste good but at that moment isn’t good for us. A couple who practices NFP have the great oppertunity to cultivate the virtue of chastity. They become spiritually more healthy than the couple who uses contraceptives.

The Church believes that contraceptives encourage lust, encourage selfishness and makes that individuals blind to such faults. It gives them a lack of prudence. They easily rationalizing denying the begetting of more children than they need to deny for any reasonable reason. Moreover it hurts the martial act in the same way that vomiting after a meal hurts our throats and erodes our teeth.

It is not enough that the couple merely learn NFP and avoid contraceptives. A couple will have poor results spiritually if they refuse to surcomb to the pressures to open their hearts more. It is GOOD that a couple who originally thought they could only handle two kids decides one day because the desire to have sex is so strong, that that their reasoning to postpone pregnancy was selfish, that they can stretch themselves more and be open to another child. That’s why couples who practice NFP and LIKE NFP also tend to have larger families. Its not because the method fails to prevent the bearing of children, its that the method promotes an openness to life and an openness of heart to what the sexual act truly is supposed to be, the complete self donation of self to the other.
That rationale could be used to say that a couple should not have sex at all if they aren’t trying to conceive, ever. Surely the less chocolate cake the better. Why have sex at all? If abstinence is good for it’s own sake, then why would a couple use nfp, when they could abstain completely, and keep the unitive aspect of it to reproducing? That is the reasoning being used here.
 
No it’s not. It’s just an imperfect analogy (like all analogies).

There is nothing WRONG with eating a moderate amount of choclate cake. God made it taste good for a reason. It has a legitimate place in the diet of a healthy person. An attitude of deserts being evil is equivalent to someone who finds sex inherently nasty (sadly, there are such people who don’t understand that there IS such a thing as a healthy sex life).

The glutton who can’t eat 3 cookies without eating 20 is roughly analogous to the guy who sleeps around. He lacks discipline and prudence.
 
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