NFP Question - Creighton Method

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My husband and I have been using the creighton method for a couple of years (to avoid pregnancy) but I commonly see (what I presume to be) seminal fluid the day after intercourse (not always first thing in the morning) despite bearing down almost immediately after intercourse.

My best guess is I bear down incorrectly. Is this something that’s common/ does anyone have any advice on how to bear down better?

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I frequently see it for a couple days. I must be doing it wrong too.
 
Not unusual to see it through out the day. You are probably fine.
 
The best way to bear down with force is to “forcefully” urinate. Also, work those kegels!!
 
I am not sure to understand what you do after intercourse, and i prefer to not know.
It is not moral to try to evacuate the semen, in Catholic perspective.

it is completely NORMAL to see seminal fluid the day after intercourse. It is in the rules of observation of mucus methods that the day after intercourse, you cannot determine what your fertility is because of the presence of seminal fluid that may mask the cervical mucus.
I doubt it is different for Creighton.
 
Anicette said:
It is not moral to try to evacuate the semen, in Catholic perspective.
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Do you have a source for this because it is contrary to what I was taught? It only takes anywhere from 5 minutes to a couple hours for sperm to get to the egg and fertilize it. By the time you are several hours out, the sperm has died.
 
If you want an official source such as the Cathechism of Catholic Church, we don’t have because the official book does not go into these deep details of micromanagement.

But if you read traditional theology, casuistic books and read the historical archives of correspondance with the Sacred Penitanciary you would see these question treated.

For eg, vaginal douching that where popular in the past had always been condamned by the Church.

It is also common sense. We should not do something to try to avoid or decrease the likelihood of pregnancy whether it is prooven to be effective or not.

It is also a question of respect for the act, why would we want to evacuate the semen after the act is complete and we feel (only feel) the semen’s persence is no longer necessary to procreation and we feel that it should not be there now for personal convenience only?

I am also absolutely sure that Billings and STM methods (formation and books I read) taught that the day after you have had intercourse you have to abstain because of the interference of seminal residuals.

I have a hard time to believe that Creaighton teach to evacuate the semen.
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t only takes anywhere from 5 minutes to a couple hours for sperm to get to the egg and fertilize it.
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depend on where we are in our fertile period. Spermatozoa can be stocked in the cervix for many days.
 
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Anicette said:
depend on where we are in our fertile period. Spermatozoa can be stocked in the cervix for many days.
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Bearing down would not interfere with any sperm stock in the cervix. 🤔

@edward_george1 since you have studied bioethics can you offer any insight or sources on this issue?
 
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I don’t pretend that it would interfere with the sperm stock in the cervix.

The sperm stock in the cervix has nothing to do with trying to evacuate what has been deposed in the vagina during the marital act.
 
I would be interested in anything specific. I can also attest to the fact that the Creighton model, which is approved, recommended, and funded by our Archdiocese, does tell you to bear down to move out extra fluid after intercourse, so that it doesn’t mess with your readings the following day. Since the practice is hygienic and not meant to avoid pregnancy, I would have to see some sources before I would believe it is forbidden. I’m not going to search the entire literary history of the Catholic Church for it though, because frankly, it doesn’t even work.
 
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Since the practice is hygienic and not meant to avoid pregnancy, I would have to see some sources before I would believe it is forbidden.
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Agreed.

Bearing down is not the same as douching. Bearing down uses our own bodily function to remove some, but not all of the seminal fluid sometime after the marital act has been completed. Preventing conception is not the intent, and bearing down does not prevent conception anyway.
 
I just find that shocking that a catholic NFP method teach her followers to moove out the seminal fluid after intercourse… instead of just beinf abstinent the following day… what is not the end of the world…

It is not unhygienic to carry sperm inside us as long as our partner don’t have any disease. Understand to urinate and clean or take a shower, but what’s more?
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It isn’t comfortable or hygienic to walk around without cleaning up after sex.
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External cleaning, yes, but why more?
 
Because, it doesn’t stay inside. It drips out for hours, even longer than a day. And its sticky and gross, you have to wear a liner to keep your clothes clean. It’s a man bodily fluid that’s been sitting around inside a woman for hours. It doesn’t smell so nice. THose are all good reasons that have nothing to do with avoiding pregnancy.
 
Not to mention all that extra moisture creates the perfect environment for yeast and/or skin infections…
 
We have very different perspection of our bodies!

I am happy no longer been a teenager reading that. What conception of sexuality would have had developped? That after the woman feel “gross”, have to wear protection, and are at risk of an infection unless she take measure to remoove all that can be remooved inside.

I just done just more outside cleaning, without feeling the need to push or evacuate more inside…Many is evacuated naturally after.
We can feel more wet the next 48 hours, that’s why there is NFP rules of abstinence, but I have never felt disgusting. Strange idea. And maybe lucky, but never developped an infection…

Not sure these discussion is appropriate.
 
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Hun, if you want to go around all day as Princess Sticky Thighs, you go right ahead, but there is nothing wrong or sinful about not wanting stale bodily fluids leaking out on to your clothes all day!
 
Count me is as thinking that bearing down goes against the spirit of NFP. Might as well pull out. I’d question any Catholic method that is teaching that. I don’t buy that it is for cleanup. Seems like a convenient excuse of trying to avoid pregnancy
 
There is a misunderstanding here about what happens when a women does kegels or bears down. Firstly, it only takes 1-2 minutes for the sperm to reach the cervix and make it through the cervix if it is not plugged. So, whether the seminal fluid leaks out when the woman stands up or whether she bears down sometime later has no impact on whether or not conception occurs. This is not a contraceptive act. It is about feminine hygiene and about being able to more accurately assess cervical fluid.
 
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