NFP: sexual disorder?

[stadre]

Hmm… let me get this straight…

*If the average Catholic finds the SFI objectionable, it’s because they’re prudish or misinformed. *

*If NFP authorities find the SFI objectionable, it’s because of rivalry and personal animosities. *

If in doubt, see above.

:ehh:

Well, to each his own. To paraphrase your earlier statement:

“If that’s your opinion, you can refrain from refraining to use SFI.”

1. You will need to show where the “average” Catholic finds SFI objectionable. That has not been my experience. In fact, up until this thread, I have NEVER seen it. How many people are you referencing to be “average?” You are also very harsh on the people who do find it objectionable. Do you really consider them to be “prudish” and “misinformed?”
2. All NFP authorities do not find it objectionable. Again, I think it is awful of you to suggest that those who do so only find it objectionable due to “rivalry and personal animosities!”

 

[StephanieC]

Sigh. The point of this thread is not whether I practice SFI, or enjoy it, or think it’s better than sliced bread…

I was asking why it’s allowed. It seems to me to be little more than regurgitation of contents which are necessary to fulfill the marital act.

However, thanks to all the thoughtful responses I now have some food for thought.

Y’know what? I’m glad you (the OP) finally piped up, if only to clarify the point of the thread!

I think I’m going to excuse myself from the modesty vs. too graphic / CrM vs. other methods aspect of the discussion for now (just too tired to think it through better!), but I did want to explain one thing…

I think the reason my hackles got raised (although hopefully I was able to charitably edit my posts! ) was because:

We are such a teeny-tiny minority on this planet(that is, Catholics who don’t contracept) and we know the sacrifices that we’ve willingly made to hold fast to the moral truths of our Church’s teaching, that it actually stings a little to read (in so many words): “Aren’t you really contracepting if you do this? (SFI)” When in actuality, the very thought of contracepting, or having such a mentality, in my marriage is repugnant to me! So, “ouch–that stings.”

:twocents: and my hugs to y’all.

 

[maryceleste]

I am seriously asking this because you are arguing like you have only read the book and never had the teaching.

Since when did I say that I practiced the Creighton method? Is there some rule that says that the contents of the manual can only be discussed by “insiders?”

My now-husband and I had an opportunity to take the course during marriage preparation, but chose not to, because of concerns related to modesty (surprise, surprise). I did try to discuss these concerns with the instructor, as it seemed as if they would be easy to accomodate – but she was totally unhelpful, even insulting. Since we didn’t even have a reason to use NFP (we would have been learning it for future reference, “just in case”), I decided to stick with the supposedly-inferior BOM, which I’d already learned from a tattered paperback I found at a rummage sale.

At the time, I didn’t think that instructor’s attitude was representative of the whole NaProWhoozit organization… though, after reading some of the replies on this thread, I’m starting to wonder.

Except that the sperm transfer to the cervical mucus before there is even a chance to do SFI. So, it cannot be contraceptive.

I suppose if a couple uses it to prevent a pregnancy (which is not the Creighton teaching), it could possibly be considered contraceptive.

So, it **can **interfere with conception? Or it can’t?

Sounds like nobody knows for sure…

 

[maryceleste]

1. You will need to show where the “average” Catholic finds SFI objectionable. … Again, I think it is awful of you to suggest that those who do so only find it objectionable due to “rivalry and personal animosities!”

Just to clarify:

1. The italicized parts were my attempt to paraphrase/understand what 1ke seemed to be saying. They do not reflect my own views.
2. The “if” statements were meant to represent hypothetical individual cases, and were not meant as an estimation of the proportion of said people who hold said opinion.

Anyway, since we’re not answering the OP’s question, I’ll follow Stephanie’s lead, and leave the thread. If someone wants to follow up on TeenSTAR, modesty in NFP classes, etc., feel free to start a new discussion. (I’d do it myself, but I have to put my children to bed.)

P.S. to Stephanie:

I totally understand your feelings. It’s hard when people can’t see eye to eye on stuff like this. Sort of like when pro-lifers disagree about the use of billboards with aborted baby parts… or homeschoolers start feuding over whether or not to use the diocesan religious ed. curriculum. But I do believe (as the Billings said in their statement) that, at heart, we’re all on the same “side.”

 

[astegallrnc]

So, it **can **interfere with conception? Or it can’t?

Dr. Hilgers says no. My reproductive endocrinologist said my post-coital position had no impact on my chances of conceiving but if it made me feel better I could remain supine.

Is there evidence that not waiting at least 20 minutes decreases the chance of pregnancy? Is there evidence that not waiting renders the act sterile? Is there evidence that waiting 20-30 minutes increases my chances of conception?

I want to add that I see how the manual can be confusing and can be as clear as mud. Sorry Dr. Hilgers et al.

Autumn

 

[PRmerger]

Y’know what? I’m glad you (the OP) finally piped up, if only to clarify the point of the thread!

What’s up claiming I’m “finally” piping up? I’ve posted quite a bit in this thread–3rd highest to be exact.

We are such a teeny-tiny minority on this planet(that is, Catholics who don’t contracept) and we know the sacrifices that we’ve willingly made to hold fast to the moral truths of our Church’s teaching that it actually stings a little to read (in so many words).

Indeed. I’m a cradle Catholic who will defend my faith to the end. I use these forums to pose questions that non-Catholics (or, more often, cafeteria-Catholic family members) propose to me. I hope to gain thoughtful insights that I can then use to evangelize my family through these forums

Sadly, however, I usually get lambasted for even presenting such questions.

I’ve often thought of prefacing all my questions with, “this isn’t how I believe, but how would one respond to XYZ.?” But, in the spirit of charity and thoughtful discourse, why should it be necessary??