NFP when sick

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Sorry if this is too much information :o, but I’m needing some answers from those with more practice than us. We’ve never had to use NFP to avoid. We are self taught through online courses of sympto thermal NFP, but, unfortunately can NOT temp anymore due to fevers and illness. It’s inaccurate. So we are kind of blind this month, and HAVE to use careful NFP, cause the surgery and the medicines can be very harmful, even fatal, to babies.

Problem is that my cycle is so unpredictable right now and completely out of whack. (I think it’s the infection and stress of illness on my body.) What knowledge of my cycle I once had, is out the door now. I have like a constant flow of fertile (watery or egg white) mucous. Mostly egg white. It just won’t stop, and seems to have no intention of doing so. And it came so much earlier than normal that we hit one of the iffy days. :eek:

I’m afraid this might just start all over again in about five days when my NORMAL fertile time is. I can’t do cervical checks accurate enough to tell anything, so we are relying on mucous alone. We are avoiding anything semi fertile, cause we used to rely on temperatures to help us through. We are abstaining the whole time through, but it’s going to be close to two weeks by the time it’s done. Point being, is this normal when you are ill to have a seemingly endless supply of fertile mucous and a seemingly endless length of fertile days? And is there a way to better figure which is fertile mucous and what is just normal mucous from the illness, is there even a way to tell for the future cycles during recovery? Two weeks just seems SO long, but maybe it’s necessary under the circumstances. Thanks so much to all who answer. 🙂
 
From what you’re describing, LovingHim, I think abstaining would be best for right now. I know how frustrating that can be, but your symptoms just sound too unpredictable for you to safely use NFP right now. :hug1:
 
From what you’re describing, LovingHim, I think abstaining would be best for right now. I know how frustrating that can be, but your symptoms just sound too unpredictable for you to safely use NFP right now. :hug1:
Thanks! 🙂 Can you clarify though, do you mean abstain throughout any and all fertile mucous, or abstaining altogether until I get better. :confused:
 
Thanks! 🙂 Can you clarify though, do you mean abstain throughout any and all fertile mucous, or abstaining altogether until I get better. :confused:
Because you’re taking medication with such serious consequences and you can’t use your temperatures and your cervical mucus is unpredictable (and your training is in the sympto-thermal method) you have no way of knowing if you are safe or not. Your previous charting can’t be relied on and given that the consequences of you getting pregnant are so serious, I think abstaining until you stop taking the medication and/or get better is your best option.
 
Because you’re taking medication with such serious consequences and you can’t use your temperatures and your cervical mucus is unpredictable (and your training is in the sympto-thermal method) you have no way of knowing if you are safe or not. Your previous charting can’t be relied on and given that the consequences of you getting pregnant or so serious, I think abstaining until you stop taking the medication and/or get better is your best option.
I agree with kevinsgirl. This is a hard thing to accept and do I am sure but if you are suffering from fevers (at least if it was me) you probably aren’t interested anyway and trust me, when you aren’t interested your husband is not satisfied either :o.

You could review your sympto-thermal book though if it is the CCL one - there is a whole chapter (or should be) on cervical signs - yes, that means internal checks but, this might be your only sign to use right now ;).

Brenda V.
 
Because you’re taking medication with such serious consequences and you can’t use your temperatures and your cervical mucus is unpredictable (and your training is in the sympto-thermal method) you have no way of knowing if you are safe or not. Your previous charting can’t be relied on and given that the consequences of you getting pregnant are so serious, I think abstaining until you stop taking the medication and/or get better is your best option.
So much clearer! Thanks! 🙂 I’m not taking anything bad right now, it’s all been doctor approved, but I’m worried about the “cocktails” they’ll be giving me in my IV during and the days after surgery. I won’t be that aware, if at all, so I really won’t know what’s going in there…scary huh? :eek: Plus anesthesia is supposed to be very bad for babies, and that is a given. Plus any take home meds, but most of those are usually safe enough. Oh, and repeat surgery is needed in 5% of all people who undergo this, cause of bleeding issues, so, that’s another possibility. With all these ifs and maybes, your option is looking, though not sounding (who wants to abstain when you love your spouse so very much 😛 ) best. Thank you for your advice and prayers. :hug1:
 
I agree with kevinsgirl. This is a hard thing to accept and do I am sure but if you are suffering from fevers (at least if it was me) you probably aren’t interested anyway and trust me, when you aren’t interested your husband is not satisfied either :o.

You could review your sympto-thermal book though if it is the CCL one - there is a whole chapter (or should be) on cervical signs - yes, that means internal checks but, this might be your only sign to use right now ;).

Brenda V.
I’m actually still very interested 😊, that’s why I started this thing. I was hoping I’d be able to have a few last nights with hubby before my surgery and I’d actually be physically out of it for a few weeks. But my signs aren’t cooperating. :rolleyes: My fevers come and go, usually when the infection flares up, it’s just not consistent enough to rely on anymore, since with temping even a half a degree can make a huge difference. :o I so wish I could do the internal checks, but I can’t tell open or closed and the thing is nearly always high (so high I can’t reach it most days.) I can distinguish firmness, but that in and of itself isn’t enough. It’s just a loose-loose situation. I was just hoping that maybe some billings or creighton folks would hop on and have some mucous answers for me. But, I guess it’s just too hard a case, especially mid cycle and all. So maybe prayers are best here. Could you all say prayers for us? Thanks! :hug1:
 
:gopray: For you for both this situation and for surgery.

An interesting thought, when a woman ovulates is when she is most interested (not that other times you are not) so maybe that is what is happening. I am sorry I could not be of any more help. Maybe you could start a different thread asking Creighton/Billings model people specifically. Or, you just aren’t ovulating right now at all as you are sick :(.

:console:

Again, I will keep you in my prayers.

Brenda V.
 
:gopray: For you for both this situation and for surgery.

An interesting thought, when a woman ovulates is when she is most interested (not that other times you are not) so maybe that is what is happening. I am sorry I could not be of any more help. Maybe you could start a different thread asking Creighton/Billings model people specifically. Or, you just aren’t ovulating right now at all as you are sick :(.

:console:

Again, I will keep you in my prayers.

Brenda V.
Thank you for the prayers. :hug1: You were lots of help! 🙂 It was my fault for not learning a “back up” method. But, we never intended to use it for postponing, we wanted God to be in charge of timing, so we thought one was good enough. 🤷 I’ve not had much luck trying to get info out of billings/creighton users without having to register for classes. The sympto thermal method is so readily out there, easily accessible to all, even if you can’t take classes, and believe it or not we just loved the cross checks. 😉

And you might just be right on the ovulating. I’m much drier today and am having nausea and cramps (I get those during ovulation too). So, maybe, this is my “cross check?” But, of course, abstaining until I can figure anything out for certain.
 
Thank you for the prayers. :hug1: You were lots of help! 🙂 It was my fault for not learning a “back up” method. But, we never intended to use it for postponing, we wanted God to be in charge of timing, so we thought one was good enough. 🤷 I’ve not had much luck trying to get info out of billings/creighton users without having to register for classes. The sympto thermal method is so readily out there, easily accessible to all, even if you can’t take classes, and believe it or not we just loved the cross checks. 😉
You are most welcome. Glad I could help.

I do agree that the Sympto-Thermal method is easily accessible but it also high-lites the other methods. When I took the classes 30 years ago (only engaged couple in the class!) it was pretty new and not as much was known but my book (1/4 the size of the one now) had a chapter dealing with each of the other methods excluding “rhythm” although it was mentioned as being flawed because it only worked for that 1/4 of the population that had regular cycles in the 26-30 day range!

Have you looked at your book again? If you want I will go dig my current book out (this one is about 5-6 years old so there may be a newer one) and see if we can figure this out together.
And you might just be right on the ovulating. I’m much drier today and am having nausea and cramps (I get those during ovulation too). So, maybe, this is my “cross check?” But, of course, abstaining until I can figure anything out for certain.
So, let’s talk this out - do you have at least six months worth of charts and did you record everything? The cramping, etc.? If you did and there was a pattern then you can have some assurance that you are indeed ovulating.

If I may be so bold, what are you having surgery for and why does it cause fevers? Feel free to tell me it is none of my business, or if you want to talk about it more in private you can PM me.

Brenda V.
 
I agree with kevinsgirl about abstaining…do you currently have any children?

Because it made me laugh when you said two weeks…two weeks seemed an impossible amount of time to be abstinent before having a baby, but now it may as well be the norm for all the free time we have! lol it is amazing how perspectives change.

Not trying to make light of a serious situation though, I hope you are back on your feet soon 🙂
 
When you get sick, the waiting part of nfp can go on forever. I use sympto-thermal as well, and I’ve only really been sick one cycle since I started charting (knock on wood that it stays that way, lol). My cycle is usually 31-34 days long but that cycle was 41 or 42 days. I can’t remember which, but it went on forever. It was my second cycle after getting married too, which made it even worse 😦 I think we had the chance to be intimate maybe twice that entire cycle what with all the fever and constant cm. If you have serious reasons to avoid, as we did at the time, just chalk it up to a tough penance and abstain. Oh, praying a lot helps too.
 
Oh my! Lots of posts now. I’ll try to answer the questions in order I read them, forgive me if I omit some.

To BrendaV: We do not have a CCL book. We stopped charting last fall cause we didn’t have reasons to postpone, and we wanted it to be all up to God. I do have records of start/stop dates/cycle lengths, and old charts, and continued to check mucous during this time, it’s hard to NOT be aware once you’ve started, though we didn’t record it. Back to now, I started having thick mucous again, so that 12 hour dry spell is no more. 🤷 I’m having lots of head and chest congestion/mucous, so I’m wondering if it’s not just part of that. The cramps happen cause I have cysts from time to time, so, no, it’s not truly accurate enough to be a determining sign. 😛 I probably just have a cyst again (don’t worry I’ve had them checked and they aren’t serious!) I don’t really want to post surgery information on here, sorry, but the fevers are caused by infection. Thanks for helping me so much! 🙂

**To MrsFrazier: **No children on earth :(, but several baby saints in heaven! No, I understand completely. I know some people out there are like, “what I wouldn’t give to have relations every two weeks!” I guess I sound rather selfish. We’re just not used to having to abstain, so any length of time seems long, but it’s really been great for our spiritual life and communication aspects. It really is all it says it is! 🙂

**Journey137: **Thanks for sharing this! 🙂 I’m glad I’m not alone. I’ve never had illness affect my cycles like this either. Maybe a few days, but not like this. Whew! But it helps to know that this can be normal during illness, and what to expect for the future, and most of all that I’m not alone and this is completely normal (during abnormal circumstances. :p) And, yes we MUST abstain. It actually pains me so much, and not the actual abstaining part, but not being able to try to conceive another miracle of God. But these next few months of surgery and recovery are just not safe for a little one. So, yeah, we have to. 😦
 
To BrendaV: I don’t really want to post surgery information on here, sorry, but the fevers are caused by infection. Thanks for helping me so much! 🙂
Don’t be sorry for not wanting to tell me or anyone else, that is why I said just tell me to MYOB ;).

I will continue to pray for you and that recovery go well and faster than expected. BTW, your “typical” signs may come back after the surgery if that is part of the cure :). Both emotional well being and physical well being can affect our cycles so keep that in mind as you go through this added tough part of your recovery.

Brenda V.
 
The mucus you are observing is actually a symptom of infection. That is how Dr. Hilgers of PPVI figured out that I had an infection in my uterus. Any infection in your body will bring about this type of mucus. I wouldn’t trust it. Antibiotics will also bring about this type of mucus and sometimes is used to help women who don’t have very good fertile mucus.

Don’t trust it. Knowing what I know we used such a day figuring it was just infection and I am pregnant. Don’t get me wrong! I am thankful that I am!
 
The mucus you are observing is actually a symptom of infection. That is how Dr. Hilgers of PPVI figured out that I had an infection in my uterus. Any infection in your body will bring about this type of mucus. I wouldn’t trust it. Antibiotics will also bring about this type of mucus and sometimes is used to help women who don’t have very good fertile mucus.

Don’t trust it. Knowing what I know we used such a day figuring it was just infection and I am pregnant. Don’t get me wrong! I am thankful that I am!
Oh thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for someone who’s been there done that. I would LOVE a baby right now :)but I have to have this surgery to be healthier to carry and care for future babies. If I don’t have the surgery now, and wind up conceiving and carrying to term, I’d be carrying around a perpetual infection for another year, not to mention what effects the infection might have on baby. It won’t go away without surgery, I have to have something removed, it’s our last resort. Still, we did hit one iffy day in the beginning. My fertile patch had a WAY early onset, and we didn’t realize it until the next day, but we’ve had like a week of it since, so I think we are okay. And, it gives comfort to know that God would provide if we did conceive anyways, despite our best abstaining efforts, that would be His will, and He always provides when its His will, and even when it’s not if we place our trust in Him. We are thankful for such a loving and providential God! But, we will continue to abstain, especially after hearing your case, I cannot bear to think of hurting a future baby! Thanks so much for this. I wish you a healthy pregnancy and delivery! :hug1:
 
Don’t be sorry for not wanting to tell me or anyone else, that is why I said just tell me to MYOB ;).

I will continue to pray for you and that recovery go well and faster than expected. BTW, your “typical” signs may come back after the surgery if that is part of the cure :). Both emotional well being and physical well being can affect our cycles so keep that in mind as you go through this added tough part of your recovery.

Brenda V.
Thanks so much! And thanks to all who have helped us out! 🙂
 
When Dr. Hilgers did my last surgery he had me go in to get tested to make sure I wasn’t pregnant the day before the surgery. Ya might consider having one done right before you go in.

I hope your situation turns out well. Listen to those doctors and get yourself well. It was hard waiting and working to get healthy, but it has turned out for the best. this last infection that ended in pregnancy was just a yeast infection. I think it was Gods way of doing what we wanted but were to afraid to do.

The one Dr. Hilgers took care of lasted months and it was very hard to abstain, but in the end it has turned out that I am a lot healthier and I feel much better. I pray that all goes well with your surgery and you heal quickly!👍
 
When Dr. Hilgers did my last surgery he had me go in to get tested to make sure I wasn’t pregnant the day before the surgery. Ya might consider having one done right before you go in.

I hope your situation turns out well. Listen to those doctors and get yourself well. It was hard waiting and working to get healthy, but it has turned out for the best. this last infection that ended in pregnancy was just a yeast infection. I think it was Gods way of doing what we wanted but were to afraid to do.

The one Dr. Hilgers took care of lasted months and it was very hard to abstain, but in the end it has turned out that I am a lot healthier and I feel much better. I pray that all goes well with your surgery and you heal quickly!👍
Yeah, we are SO going to test. We were just going to use the early detection HPTs. At least two. I am SO blest to have my period coming “supposedly” just days before my surgery. So that should be an added green light that we are good to go. 🙂

Yuck! I hate yeast infections. But, your right, that is not nearly as bad as month(s) long infections. I’m so sorry you’ve had to have one too. 😦 This infection I have will just keep being persistent (two months going on three!) without removal of affected part. We’ve tried antibiotics (own stock is more like it :p), complete bed rest, everything. No luck. And this is not the first time either, I’ve been sick off and on for years! So while it is not fun, and really quite dreaded, surgery is our ONLY option. Your words that things can and will get better after are a great source of encouragement for me to keep going on with it. Thanks for the prayers and for everything! :hug1:
 
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