NFP without instructor

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I´m a bit curious, are there women who practice NFP without an instruction by a doctor/expert first?
I noticed that NFP experts in germany are rather rare and often focused on only one method and - important for me - highly expensive. I wonder if this is really something that…enlightening to be worth the money as I have medical basic/extended knowledge.
 
In quite a number of parishes that I know of, they have nurses who are trained in instructing the use of NFP method, not doctors. They are quite knowledgeable though on NFP and quite reliable. Not sure though whether your parish offers such expertise.
 
Sadly not in my area in germany (former DDR) . Here you usually find some old ladies and a priest in a church, not much more than maybe a kindergarden and a palliative service 😒
 
I was trained in the Sympto-Thermal method 20 years ago by a knowledgeable lay person who was not a nurse. I also purchased a book that was wonderful.

This link may be helpful: http://fcce.eu/
 
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husband here, not a woman,

We had a pre-cana engaged couples weekend thing where another couple talked to us about it and gave everyone a dvd. That was about it. But it never failed us (unplanned pregnancy). Assuming you are healthy, youngish, and havent recently had a child it is pretty simple and you can understand it with minimal reading. After having a child and breastfeeding it starts to change and you will want to have some of the more advanced methods if not before.

https://nfp.marquette.edu/
Your english seems really good, not sure about your to be husband and if you want to seek out a German language resource. In summary I would say it is very doable without an actual instructor.
 
hoping4more said:
After having a child and breastfeeding it starts to change and you will want to have some of the more advanced methods if not before
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This is the reason for my post- I’m married and I’m one of the lucky people with a perfect cycle that even works for the most basic calendar method (we don’t use all infertile days to be secure as we know there are better nfp methods, but it’s stressless and cheap and works for us, just saying before I get thousands of"don’t use the calendar method" replies 😀).
But I want to check out some other methods for the post- pregnancy time. Marquette is financially difficult. The language doesn’t matter…
 
We taught ourselves sympto-thermal using the book Taking Charge of Your Fertility. My signs were/are clear enough that we haven’t felt the need to seek out an instructor. There are also various apps that can do some of the interpretive work for you, including free or nominal cost ones.

My personal opinion is that the more severe the need to avoid pregnancy is, the more help you should get learning a method. There are some instructors who will work with you long distance. If you use Facebook, there are groups for certain methods who could put you in touch with instructors. 🙂
 
I am a self-taught Marquette user and have used it for over five years to avoid. It is expensive, but Sympto-Thermal didn’t work for me. If you generally have a regular cycle and are good at learning on your own, there really isn’t any reason you can’t learn by yourself.

One thing you might want to consider, though, is abstaining while learning whatever method you choose. It can take a few cycles to figure out how to be accurate, and if you really need to avoid it’s best to have a good idea of your own cycle. Also, my cycles used to be like clockwork until my mid 20s. Now they are much more variable.
 
@Alice24,

Statistically, couples/women who have strained by an instructor have better “results” (wha. it’s hard to tlabel like that the so-called “unplanned” babies).

And you have right the postpartum and breastfeeding time is critical, even if there is usually an extend time of natural breastfeeding infertility. Xhen the cycles return they are usually longer and sometimes infertiles for some mouths.

So it could be a good thing that you learn a method before your pregnancy, even if it’s not necessary for you now. It could be done after the birth, it’s not the easiest way, but my NFP instructor said it’s possible. You could learn during your pregnancy too, and wait after to show sign.

There should have ressoources/books on german language. Dc Josef Rötzer, the Autrian conceptor of the Sympto-thermal method is Autrian. (the Kipple-Prem version from America, seems a little different).
Apparently no Billing association in Gernamy.

Me too, I couldn’t have afford Marquette or a paid class of NFP. I have got free instruction, because all we have in France is offered by volunteer couples or woman. Creighton, and it’s paid instructors has been recently implanted but very confidential and almost unkown. Marquette is completely unkown and not offered in France.
  • Are you fluent in French? Because I can offer you a summary of the organisations and situation in France and online ressources/book in French language. If you are interested or simply curious.
  • I have some ressources in English too.
  • What are the options offer in Germany, the “nfp experts”?
-Is there a method in particular which interest you?
  • and not forgive : Breastfeeding can be an NFP method if we follow some rules (LAM, which is recognized by WHO, or ecological breatfeeding). And La Leache League International with offer support in breatfeeding mothers and can give somes testimonies and resources in breastfeeding is present in Germany.
 
sorry correction : La leache league can offer some ressources in breastfeeding and breastfeedin amenorhea. With experiences of the mothers and online summary of studies. It’s depend on the vitality of the national association.

I have read some years ago in Germany a group of medical praticionners have conceptualized a revolutionnary method of NFP (apperently a sort of STM method) which is better than others (according to them!). But I cannot find on the web anymore, sorry…)
 
Thank you very much for your answer!
Well this was the reason why I thought of better learning it before my first child. Sorry for the late post, too much work :roll_eyes:
I´m nt fluent in french, basic knowledge, yes, but reading papers with medicinic terms could be too much. English and german are ok. I mainly found information on the STM and the combination with ovuation tests, but worried because
a) my former doctor once said she wouldnt trust on ovulation tests as backup as she noticed it failed often.
b) I was told STM is only safe with a regular sleep rythm. I doubt to have this with a baby…

I found a german catholic hospital 2 hours away with a NFP counseling, they offer for a managabe amount of money the servce to interpret the curves for a couple, but …I never made such a curve as I tried several smartphone apps for this and they mostly failed - in the way that they counted fertile and infertile days I found out to be false just by, well, feeling it. I normaly now and feel exactly my fertile days, but if I would discuss this with a doctor it wouldn´t sound very trustful. And it´s nothing to count on.
What I would like to ask, for those who use those marquette computers, do the results significally vary from the physical signs you can interpret by the STM?
Thanks again for all the useful answers!!!😍
 
Anicette said:
I have read some years ago in Germany a group of medical praticionners have conceptualized a revolutionnary method of NFP (apperently a sort of STM method) which is better than others (according to them!). But I cannot find on the web anymore, sorry…)
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That’s another problem–advocates of particular methods can be unhelpfully militant…
 
Alice,

Sorry for my bad English, I have read again and see grammar mistakes…
I hope I will be understandable.

a) It’s possible. One allowed the conception of my child, but it is not the same thing! 😀

b) Taking Basal Body Temperature need to have some regular sleep rythm. I have read in a thesis that’s it’s better with at least 6 hours. (Dc Céline Lavaste-Gautier, sorry I don’t see this thesis avaible online anymore )
But I am not sure it’s a strict consensus. Some nurses with cut use STM with success.

What it is important is to have the same wake up time (with a gap of less than 1 hours) all days of Temperature charting.

If we occasionally go to bed late, It will be seen, or could be seen on the temperature result. For myself, the temperature will be higher than it should be if I go to bed at 2 am. In this case, their is the solution of not counting this point in the calculation. And leave a note in the chart.

And aking temperature is only helpfull when the woman is cycling again.

And yes, It will not be easy with a child, at least in the first mouths with exhaustion and sleepless nights. In fact It could even be impossible.
I have tried at less than two mouths postpartum, on insistance of my NFP instructor because of a bleeding and gave up. We choose abstinence.

So temperature is not ideal when the baby rises many times a mouth.

BUT we have solutions :
  1. the easiest is LAM, which prevent pregnancy with 98% of effectiveness, according World Health Organization: http://srhr.org/postpartumfp/methods/lactational-amenorrhea-method/
  • to breastfeed exclusively directly at breasts with at least 6 feedings /24 h (4 hours max between to feedings the day, and 6 max the night)
  • not have a period yet
  • not bottle, no solid food, no water. Just milk.
  • baby with less than 6 mouths.
Those conditions are easy to respect when the mother is never separated with baby, sleep in the same room. Of course, some babies (very few) have less feedings than this schedule.
  1. Cervical mucus (and cervix, if wanted).
    Thoses observations are not dependants on hours.
http://www.nfpandmore.org/nfphowto.shtml
http://www.nfpandmore.org/Chart.pdf (it is the charts I use. It’s not ideal, but not found something else)

http://www.nfp-online.de/ (I have found that for Sensiplan, through a French link. But I don’t Know if it is a good link, or even a good method I don’t read German!) 😳
 
It will be a chance if you can have a nfp instructor. If the NFP counseling is too expensive at the catholic hospital, perhaps you could find a volunteer instructor online, even If he is aboard?

I am not sure that ovulation tests will be safe for preventing births for a beastfeeding mother. I know some of them who use thoses tests for having babies during breatfeeding, But Clear Blue write on his site to not use his monitor for contraception during breastfeeding.

I don’t believe that smartphone app are safe. It’s just calculations, and it’s possible that you are more aware of yourself than them.
In France, doctors warn against them.Contraception: pourquoi les méthodes naturelles ne sont pas fiables

If you have to trust some dates, it will be the rules of Ogino-Knauss method.
alice24 said:
I normaly now and feel exactly my fertile days, but if I would discuss this with a doctor it wouldn´t sound very trustful. And it´s nothing to count on.
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Do you feel and see something? Mucus could be easily feel and see on the most fertiles days!
But, you’re doctor is not wrong. To be a safe way to prevent birth, you have to know the beginning and ending of the fertile phase precisely.

Otherwise, you will have extend days and possible fertility. It’s my actual solution. I just trust some days in the end of luteal phase.
alice24 said:
What I would like to ask, for those who use those marquette computers, do the results significally vary from the physical signs you can interpret by the STM?
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Interested too! 😃
 
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