NH Is First State with HPV Vaccine

[gam197]

With Pro-Choice Catholic Democrat Governor Lynch, this is no surprise and at a time when the state is strapped for money for many existing programs. The state and federal governments are funding it along with private insurance companies. Five million dollars will do 25% percent of the eligible girls for this year.

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Boston.com
The Associated Press
N.H. first to offer cancer vaccine to all girls

By Norma Love, Associated Press Writer | November 29, 2006

CONCORD, N.H. --New Hampshire health officials announced plans Wednesday to routinely give girls a newly approved vaccine to protect them against cervical cancer.

“New Hampshire will be the first state in the country to offer the vaccine its universal children’s (vaccine) program,” said Health and Human Services Commissioner John Stephen.

 

[ribozyme]

With Pro-Choice Catholic Democrat Governor Lynch, this is no surprise and at a time when the state is strapped for money for many existing programs. The state and federal governments are funding it along with private insurance companies. Five million dollars will do 25% percent of the eligible girls for this year.

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Boston.com
The Associated Press
N.H. first to offer cancer vaccine to all girls

By Norma Love, Associated Press Writer | November 29, 2006

CONCORD, N.H. --New Hampshire health officials announced plans Wednesday to routinely give girls a newly approved vaccine to protect them against cervical cancer.

“New Hampshire will be the first state in the country to offer the vaccine its universal children’s (vaccine) program,” said Health and Human Services Commissioner John Stephen.

I don’t understand your objection. Isn’t protecting people from cervical cancer a good thing?

 

[Benedictus]

With Pro-Choice Catholic Democrat Governor Lynch, this is no surprise and at a time when the state is strapped for money for many existing programs.

I’m not sure how his being “pro-choice” relates to his desire to make the HPV vaccine widely available. Is protecting females against cervical cancer a bad thing? This vaccine is highly effective against the strains of HPV most responsible for cervical cancer. Isn’t fighting cancer a “pro-life” thing to do?

 

[Julianna]

yes, I was thinking prevention…from HPV, good thing. How is that related to liberal politics?

 

[johnnycatholic]

Okay kiddies, this is how one might perceive the HPV vaccine as a bad thing.
First of all, understand that this vaccine prevents contracting an STD that causes cervical cancer, not cervical cancer itself. Women can still get cervical cancer the old fashioned way, and since this vaccine only protects against three strains of HPV, you can still get genital warts. You, however, most likely will not get cervical cancer from your gwarts.
Where people have an objection is that this is yet another tool of the secular world that gives women a false sense of security about promiscuity. When women had the birth control pill, premarital sex shot up. Then STD’s started spreading, so condom use was advocated. Premarital sex continued going up, but so did unplanned pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases.
What people don’t understand is that there is a psychological effect to things like contraception and HPV vaccines. When people see there are tools out there to prevent consequences to risky behavior, they are more likely to engage in risky behavior whether they take protective measures or not. Furthermore, the more partners a girl has, the less likely she is to use protection. I think this is a self-destructive thing that stems from depression that comes from giving yourself to men over and over and having none of them accept the gift permanently. Women aren’t as happy with sexual exploration and friends with benefits situations as with monogamy. I don’t care what any individuals say, studies prove that sexually active teenage girls are depressed much more often than abstinent girls.
What does this have to do with the vaccine?
When you vaccinate girls, you are telling them that they should go out and have sex because they’re protected. You should be telling them to respect themselves and only have sex with someone they know well enough to know he won’t give you an incurable virus.
This vaccine has almost nothing to do with preventing cancer and everything to do with promoting a sexually active lifestyle. You don’t get HPV from engaging in healthy self-respecting activities, you get it from sex with someone whose sexual history you don’t know well enough.
This vaccine may not increase risky behavior, but it also won’t slow it down. It takes away ONE tiny consequence.
That is why Christians are up in arms about this.

 

[Benedictus]

Women can still get cervical cancer the old fashioned way, and since this vaccine only protects against three strains of HPV, you can still get genital warts.

What is the “old fashioned way”? It is believed by most experts that a person must be infected with HPV to develop cervical cancer. At the very least, HPV is present for all but a very small percentage of cervical cancer cases.

 

[jediliz]

My small objection to this vaccine is the fact that they would give it to a girl as young as 9 years old. While it says it is to help prevent cancer, it doesn’t mean you should forego your yearly pap smear. One of the recent commercials says this is not a treatment, you should still do your yearly pap smear. But 3 injections over 6 months? That would be a lot for a girl who is 9 years old.

This is Gardasil they are talking about, right?

 

[Brendan]

HPV is an STD.

The only moral reason for a 13 year old to require this vaccine is as a protection against infection due to rape or incest.

Is rape or incest related HPV infection so prevalent in N.H. that they are now requireing this?

 

[astegallrnc]

and since this vaccine only protects against three strains of HPV, you can still get genital warts.

The vaccine protects against 4 strains (16, 18, 6, & 11)of genital HPV. Strains 16 & 18 are associated with 70% (strains 16 & 18) of cervical cancer and strains 6 & 11 cause 90% of genital warts.

I am not in favor of mandatory HPV vaccines; however, my public health experience introduced me to genital HPV beyond the stats. The vaccine could be part of eliminating genital HPV but IMO would be most effective combined with education preferably from the parents, which is rare in my neck of the woods based on my expereinces.

Autumn

 

[Lil_M]

I don’t think it’s in place yet, but there is definitely talk of implementing this in Canada as part of regular childhood vaccination. I’m sure it will be by the time I have kids. What a waste of taxpayers’ money to encourage promiscuity, in addition to all the abortions. Makes me so sad! I would not allow any daughter of mine to receive it, and I would make sure she knew why too!

Maybe that money could be used to educate about chastity? what a pipe dream.

 

[johnnycatholic]

What is the “old fashioned way”? It is believed by most experts that a person must be infected with HPV to develop cervical cancer. At the very least, HPV is present for all but a very small percentage of cervical cancer cases.

I’m sorry. I didn’t realize that cervical cancer was only caused by HPV.
Anyway, my whole argument can be summed up in one sentence. If i prepare my daughter for promiscuity, i’m pretty much guaranteed a return on my investment. Does New Hampshire want to put my daughter on the pill when she turns 9, too?

 

[Mirdath]

I’m sorry. I didn’t realize that cervical cancer was only caused by HPV.
Anyway, my whole argument can be summed up in one sentence. If i prepare my daughter for promiscuity, i’m pretty much guaranteed a return on my investment. Does New Hampshire want to put my daughter on the pill when she turns 9, too?

It’s not the only cause, but it is the primary cause. Nor are all strains only sexually transmitted. Comparing this to the pill is ridiculous. There’s no reason to be up in arms over an HPV vaccine – it’s a disease and a dangerous one, what do you do about those kinds of things? You vaccinate! Roughly 75% of all Americans contract HPV at some point; you yourself may have it and not know it.

If you object to this, how do you feel about the measles/mumps/rubella vaccine? Rubella almost never kills, but it harms fetuses in the womb.

 

[astegallrnc]

I didn’t realize that cervical cancer was only caused by HPV.

You are correct it is not only caused by HPV.

IMO, the vaccine will not be the deciding factor whether or not a daugher becomes sexually active, so I do not agree that the HPV vaccine will increase sexual promsicuity. It is my experience that the risk/threat of STDs does not prevent sexual activity.

Nor are all strains only sexually transmitted.

Genital HPV is spread through skin-to-skin conact and most often this occurs during sexual activity.

If you object to this, how do you feel about the measles/mumps/rubella vaccine? Rubella almost never kills, but it harms fetuses in the womb.

I do not support mandatory HPV vaccines based on the route of transmission and the course of genital HPV infections. So, comparing measles/mumps/rubella vaccine to genital HPV is comparing apples to oranges IMO. I would rather my DD assess her risk and reach her own decision. At this time, I would not voluntarily vaccinate by DD based on my concerns regarding the safety and efficacy of the vaccine. This is only my informed opinion and I respect the opposing views.

 

[Mirdath]

Genital HPV is spread through skin-to-skin conact and most often this occurs during sexual activity.

Or by shaking hands with someone after, ah, scratching an itch. Or by using someone else’s keyboard. Sex doesn’t have to have anything to do with it.

I do not support mandatory HPV vaccines based on the route of transmission and the course of genital HPV infections. So, comparing measles/mumps/rubella vaccine to genital HPV is comparing apples to oranges IMO. I would rather my DD assess her risk and reach her own decision. At this time, I would not voluntarily vaccinate by DD based on my concerns regarding the safety and efficacy of the vaccine. This is only my informed opinion and I respect the opposing views.

Absolutely, make sure it’s safe and effective – that’s not only your prerogative but your duty as a parent. But cervical cancer is a deadly disease, and any possible way to avoid it is a good thing. You won’t be preparing your daughter for promiscuity, you’d be preparing her to live a long and healthy life.

 

[astegallrnc]

Or by shaking hands with someone after, ah, scratching an itch. Or by using someone else’s keyboard. Sex doesn’t have to have anything to do with it

Genital HPV? HPV yes, but it would be rare for genital HPV to be transmitted this way. There is no evidence but that is an unknown. The question surrounding non-sexual transmission is not enough to support my DD receiving the vaccine.cme.asccp.org/faq/histHPV.cfm#8

But cervical cancer is a deadly disease, and any possible way to avoid it is a good thing. You won’t be preparing your daughter for promiscuity, you’d be preparing her to live a long and healthy life.

I am familar with genital HPV infections and cervical cancer since managing abnormal paps and treating genital warts were a daily task for me in the clinic. I simply disagree with mandatory vaccination. However, I do agree the vaccine is very promising. In a few years, I may change my mind and from a public health perspective may even support mandatroy vaccines.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by astegallrnc
However, I do agree the vaccine is very promising. In a few years, I may change my mind and from a public health perspective may even support mandatroy vaccines.

In prior threads you have stated you worked at a family planning type clinic. You then say you are not in favor of this vaccine but may change your mind? It will solve nothing. Girls will still get cervical cancer or another STD will surface and the government will then need more money to create another vaccine.

What would you change your mind? This pill is going to cost NH $20 million dollars to vaccinate 68 thousand girls. Some will come from the federal government and some from private insurance companies. I wonder if that is why my medical insurance is now over 11 thousand, another increase recently.Each year more girls are going advance in age and need the shot. NH is a very small state which has chronic financial problems.

How much will it cost in the high population states?

Did anyone see the article about the parents of 164 students who received a letter home in the students bag about being overweight.Parents were outraged about this because some of the students read the letters. The school said it could not afford the postage to send these letters in the mail. This happened a few days ago in a small town in MA. This kind of thing is a normal news article for NH.

 

[M-Dent]

NH is a very small state which has chronic financial problems…

I’m quite curious, do you live in NH?

 

[astegallrnc]

In prior threads you have stated you worked at a family planning type clinic. You then say you are not in favor of this vaccine but may change your mind?

I don’t understand your point regarding my past profession and what I’ve stated here. . I did not state in this thread that I am not in favor of this vaccine. I have stated that I do not support mandatory HPV vaccines and question the safety. Because of my concerns regarding the safety and efficacy of the vaccine, I would not voluntarily vaccinate my DD with the HPV vaccine. With that said, I may pray and review the information that is available and change my mind. But at this time, I believe you and I agree about mandatory HPV vaccines.

It will solve nothing. Girls will still get cervical cancer or another STD will surface and the government will then need more money to create another vaccine.

This is your opinion.

What would you change your mind?

The evidence.

Why does this happen when I post in these threads?

 

[gam197]

originally posted by astegallrnc

I don’t understand your point regarding my past profession and what I’ve stated here.

I appreciate your honesty in stating that you worked at a clinic although I am not sure what type. I believe you said family planning. To me, that does affect how you think.

originally posted by astegallrnc
But at this time, I believe you and I agree about mandatory HPV vaccines.

No we don’t agree at all but it is not just you. There are many on these catholic forums that have no problem with this.
I would have a major problem with this. I am first of all opposed to it morally. Second I have a problem with spending my tax dollars and my insurance dollars which could be used to do something productive but instead being used to promote something negative - promiscuity.

The vaccine program in NH already cost 10 million dollars each year to stop things like chicken pox. I used to take my children and expose them to chicken pox just to get it over with. Now they are going to triple that budget to 30 million dollars just to do this vaccine. NH has 1 million people. NH has no money. For two years, the weather has been warm in the winter. The ski industry is struggling The snowmobile industry is struggling. NH survives on the tourist trade by selling gas, store products and restaurants food and it is been down for two years. The state will now use tax dollars for this when they could be using the money to help maintain already financially strapped programs. Many states are in a financial crisis with their budgets.

Wait till it gets to the largely populated states and see what it costs. The United States has no bottomless pit for money, nor do the private insurance companies.

 

[astegallrnc]

I appreciate your honesty in stating that you worked at a clinic although I am not sure what type. I believe you said family planning. To me, that does affect how you think.

It was a family planning clinic, and I know you believe it affects the way I think by the way you respond to my posts and that you replied to my post rather than some of the others. I find that interesting.

Anyway, I know devout Catholic, NFP only physicians and NPs who have never been part of the culture of death who agree with me. So is it my past sins or my experience as a health care professional?

No we don’t agree at all but it is not just you

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Are you contradicting just for the sake of it? Or do you not agree with me because I worked in family planning? You don’t support mandatory vaccinations, and I agree (at this time).
What may change my mind? For example, if evidence becomes available that proves genital HPV is spread just as frequently non-sexually as it is sexually. That may change my mind. If my DD could become infected by using someone’s keyboard, as in Mirdath’s example, that may change my mind. There are many unknowns about genital HPV. What we know about HPV has changed in the few years since I became a NP, so I am humble enough to admit that the future evidence may change my opinion.

We don’t agree about the voluntary HPV vaccine.

instead being used to promote something negative - promiscuity.

Do you honestly believe HPV kept anyone from engaging in sex? Most people didn’t know what HPV was a year ago. STDs don’t stop people from having sex. If only the answer to the problem of sexual promiscuity were as simple as people want to make it, but it is much deeper IMO.

As for the cost of vaccinating, I will wait for accurate data in the from of an analysis before forming an opinion.

Autumn