NH Is First State with HPV Vaccine

[Other_Eric]

I think the poster was on to something who cited the psychological impact that this, or any other successful method for preventing sexually transmitted diseases, will have on the general public and the incidence of premarital sex. By making sex “safe” and without serious life-altering consequences, it becomes a mere form of recreation, even more than it is now. Christians should bear in mind that medical advances in this area more often leave the door open to sin more than anything else.

 

[astegallrnc]

I think the poster was on to something who cited the psychological impact that this, or any other successful method for preventing sexually transmitted diseases, will have on the general public and the incidence of premarital sex. By making sex “safe” and without serious life-altering consequences, it becomes a mere form of recreation, even more than it is now. Christians should bear in mind that medical advances in this area more often leave the door open to sin more than anything else.

I would agree if the risk of STDs actually kept people from engaging in high risk sexual behavior, but those who chose abstinence aren’t doing that because of the risk of STDs. There are more factors involved in this problem. It is very sad when you talk to teens about the “whys” and hear the answers.

 

[Actress101]

i live in massachusetts and i’ve already gotten that shot. i think it’s a good thing to have.

 

[Benedictus]

I find the assertion that this vaccine will encourage promiscuity a little silly. For one, there are still a million serious STDs like HIV that this vaccine won’t prevent. You still have the possibility of pregnancy. I’m fairly certain that the possiblity of cervical cancer is almost never considered when people make a decision on whether to fornicate or not.

I’m sorry to break the bad news to all you parents out there, but even though you raised your perfect little angels well, taught them all about the Faith, taught them that fornication is bad, etc., many --if not most–of them will still fornicate. Hopefully with the benefit of a few years, they’ll grow a bit and see that fornication isn’t good. In the meantime, would you prefer them to have cancer or not?

 

[Holly3278]

When you vaccinate girls, you are telling them that they should go out and have sex because they’re protected. You should be telling them to respect themselves and only have sex with someone they know well enough to know he won’t give you an incurable virus.

Wrong. What you should be telling them is to wait to have sex until marriage.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by astegallrnc
Anyway, I know devout Catholic, NFP only physicians and NPs who have never been part of the culture of death who agree with me. So is it my past sins or my experience as a health care professional?

When it comes to Catholic doctors, whose knows what they will say. My own pediatrician told my teen children to practice safe sex so I left his practice. Then my next Catholic doctor told my college daughter that he had no problem with using pot.

Are you contradicting just for the sake of it? Or do you not agree with me because I worked in family planning? You don’t support mandatory vaccinations, and I agree (at this time).
What may change my mind? For example, if evidence becomes available that proves genital HPV is spread just as frequently non-sexually as it is sexually. That may change my mind

I just don’t agree with you. If you change your mind and think this is bad thing, it won’t matter because once it is throughout the United States, you will never see it out of the vaccination program. That is just how things work here.

Do you honestly believe HPV kept anyone from engaging in sex?

I would think teens would like think twice if someone had HPV or HIV but maybe they don’t. They think everything will have a cure.

As for the cost of vaccinating, I will wait for accurate data in the from of an analysis before forming an opinion.

You will not see cost in the majority of initial vaccinations. They chose a small state to give out the cost. They are not fools.

 

[gam197]

Wrong. What you should be telling them is to wait to have sex until marriage.

True but there is more. Catholic parenting also calls parents to provide an environment where teens are not pressured to make wrong decisions such as home schooling kids. I would imagine that the rate of sexual activity among home schooled children would be much lower than community schooled children.

 

[astegallrnc]

When it comes to Catholic doctors, whose knows what they will say.

So, you are questioning how Catholic a doctor or health care provider is? I suspect my experience in the family planning clinic affects how you read my posts, and your replies have more to do with your preconceived ideas of what someone with my experience would believe, think, and write rather than the actual content of my posts.

I just don’t agree with you.

Oh, we don’t agree about mandatory HPV vaccines? You support mandatory HPV vaccines? I DO NOT support mandatory vaccines based on the information available at this time.

If you change your mind and think this is bad thing, it won’t matter because once it is throughout the United States, you will never see it out of the vaccination program

If I change my mind and think what is a bad thing? Voluntary HPV vaccination? If I change my mind about voluntary HPV vaccination, it will be because the vaccine proves to be unsafe and/or ineffective.

I would think teens would like think twice if someone had HPV… but maybe they dont’

To imply the HPV vaccine will increase promsicuity implies that genital HPV prevented some people from engaging in sex. Haven’t we had posts on here regarding the numbers of people who don’t even know about genital HPV? If people don’t even know it exists, it isn’t going to prevent anything.

Unfortunately, the people willing to provide teens access to contraceptives and the HPV vaccine have asked teens about their sexual behaviors and listen to their answers. Perhaps others should be willing to listen to teens.

You will not see cost in the majority of initial vaccinations. They chose a small state to give out the cost. They are not fools.

If you have taken graduate level research courses, you know that there is more to consider when evaluating “cost”.

 

[gam197]

So, you are questioning how Catholic a doctor or health care provider is? I suspect my experience in the family planning clinic affects how you read my posts, and your replies have more to do with your preconceived ideas of what someone with my experience would believe, think, and write rather than the actual content of my posts.

I am saying that catholic doctors believe many different things.I do read the contents of your posts.

You support mandatory HPV vaccines?

We have discussed this many times and you know I don’t support mandatory HPV vaccines. You stated you don’t support HPV vaccine at this time but may change your mind.

Unfortunately, the people willing to provide teens access to contraceptives and the HPV vaccine have asked teens about their sexual behaviors and listen to their answers. Perhaps others should be willing to listen to teens.

We have spent a large fortune and it hasn’t helped. Others have not been allowed to listen and instruct. I will just leave it as we disagree.

 

[astegallrnc]

I am saying that catholic doctors believe many different things.

You mentioned family planning and my opinion about the HPV vaccine. My point is that my previous work in family planning has nothing to do with my opinion, but my clinical experience, profession and education do.

We have discussed this many times and you know I don’t support mandatory HPV vaccines.

At this point in time, you and I agree on mandatory HPV vaccines.

You stated you don’t support HPV vaccine at this time but may change your mind.

So, to agree means we have to agree on all points. Interesting.

And yes, I may change my mind, which I explained with an extreme example. If I only considered that genital HPV is sexually transmitted, I probably would be permanently opposed too.

We have spent a large fortune and it hasn’t helped. Others have not been allowed to listen and instruct. I will just leave it as we disagree.

Maybe the fortune wasn’t well spent. Maybe “we” didn’t ask the right questions or were poor listeners. Or maybe “we” aren’t the only ones who need to be listening.

Maybe the other side is doing a better, more efficient job for a number of reasons (ie., money, political support, etc.), and I am not sure how to maneuver around the obstacles.

I will just leave it as we disagree.

Until the pendulum swings, we disagree.

 

[hasikelee]

Regarding the specific HPV vaccine we have right now, I think it is a joke. It has been pushed through very quickly with little review for safety or efficacy. It contains many additives that are under suspicion for causing adverse reactions. No longitudinal studies have been done, nor are any being thoroughly supported, so we don’t even know how much, if any, protection will be given to those receiving the vaccine.

But regarding the idea of vaccinating against an STD: guess what, I really like that idea. I don’t know if people disagreeing with this are just unaware or not willing to know, but STDs are a serious public health crisis.

When I am married and have kids that want to play at the playground, I want my kid to be protected from the little boy with two daddies who have 11 partners every 3 months.

STDs are being more and more easier to transmit to others, including those who are not engaging in sexual activity! We as a rampantly unsafe country need to wake up and see what is happening here. The arguments “I can do whatever I want in my bedroom” or “It’s my body” are complete lies.

Anyways, all that being said, again, I think the recent HPV vaccine is probably going to be an overpriced, ineffective tool pushed as a solution.

 

[astegallrnc]

I agree many of your points hasikelee.

What changed your mind about vaccines for STDs?

 

[hasikelee]

I agree many of your points hasikelee.

What changed your mind about vaccines for STDs?

I haven’t been against it, but I don’t think that has come across very clear in my past posts.

I have been against vaccines in general as there are many other aspects of the entire vaccination debate which are suspect, such as money, politics, agenda, safety, etc.

I am also very against this HPV vaccine as my above post points out.

And of course I am afraid to ever be vaccinated or vaccinate my kids for medical reasons, again already talked about.

But what I have not pointed out enough is that we are approaching a point of no return here. The variation and amount of STDs out there, along with the rate and mode of transmission is adding up to all of us needing protection.

Vaccines might be the major solution as they deal primarily with viral disease, which is the majority of STDs.

There is also a legal aspect which is good for another thread. At what point does protection from discrimination lead to putting others at risk? Such as my coworker who is HIV positive. He works in a department famous for injuries: a scratch here, a gash there. It’s hard manual labor. So what happens when an perfectly innocent guy is just doing his job and picks up the wrong cutting blade?

The storm over this HPV vaccine is a minor battle in a huge issue coming up!