Nicene and Apostles' Creed.

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I have a few question.
First: Where did they come from?
Two: Why did we switch from the Apostles’ Creed during mass to the Nicene?
Three: Is it all Parishes that switched to the Nicene or just a various few?

Thanks guys :D.

May the Peace, Glory, and Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ shine upon you.
 
they addressed heresies that doubted the divinity of Jesus, and of the Holy Spirit. Arianism was one of those heresies.

Jesus is wholly God and wholly man. 2 natures of one Entity.
The Holy Spirit is God.

The Nicene Creed is more elaborated re: the Holy Spirit.

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Phil
 
Yes, they were written and expanded in the early Church to combat heresies. (Athanasius wrote one as well). They were necessary to remind people of what was really true and revealed since some priests were teaching their own inventions.

In our current worship, they perform the same function (if one takes the time to think about their content) and they are said as a form of prayer, not just a list. That’s why we (are suposed to) bow when we get to the part about the Incarnation ("…he came down from heaven, by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.") The bowing expresses our humble awe that God Himself would come down to us, His creatures and creation.

Some creeds are just more detailed than others. In the US, we use the Nicene Creed. I have heard that in Canada they use the Apostles’ Creed (not actually penned by the Apostles, but still ancient and representative of their teaching). In the US, we also use the Apostles’ Creed in children’s Masses because it is simpler.

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AndrewJMason said:
I have a few question.
First: Where did they come from?
Two: Why did we switch from the Apostles’ Creed during mass to the Nicene?
Three: Is it all Parishes that switched to the Nicene or just a various few?

Thanks guys :D.

May the Peace, Glory, and Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ shine upon you.
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Tradition (small ‘t’ tradition) states that the Apostle’s Creed was developed by the apostles themselves. However, it is, obviously, nowhere in the Scriptures, nor is it in the Didache. The earliest where the creed’s articles are spelled out is in the writings of Tertullian (died circa 200 AD).

The Nicene Creed, on the other hand, was developed at the Ecumenical Council of Nicea, 325 AD, and confirmed at the First Council of Constantinople, 381 AD.

The Nicene Creed has been recited at Mass for at least hundreds of years. It was part of the Ordo promulgated by Pius V (I don’t know before then). The Apostle’s Creed was **allowed **in the Ordo promulgated by Paul VI for Masses for Children. (There are variations in the Eucharistic Prayer for Masses with Children as well)
 
The Apostolic Creed was developed from the Baptismal vows, during the second century. This Apostolic Creed is used in private prayers like the Rosary.

The Nicean Creed was defined was defined in the Council of Niceas (325), till the words ‘Et is Spiritum Sanctum’ inclusive. The rest was added by the Council of Constantinople (381). This Nicean-Constantinoplean creed was and is used in the official text of the Mass, either in the TLM and in 1970 Mass.

Some parishes started to use the shorter Apostolic Creed in children masses, and later in all the masses.

The newest missal allows the usage of the Apostolic Creed as exception.
 
AndrewJMason said:
I have a few question.
First: Where did they come from?
Two: Why did we switch from the Apostles’ Creed during mass to the Nicene?
Three: Is it all Parishes that switched to the Nicene or just a various few?

Thanks guys :D.

May the Peace, Glory, and Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ shine upon you.
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The GIRM requires that The Creed be said. It does not specify which one.
Here in the Philippines we only say The Apostles Creed at Mass, never the Nicene Creed.
 
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Two: Why did we switch from the Apostles’ Creed during mass to the Nicene?
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The Nicene Creed has been standard for the 70 or so years I have been going to mass. The switch to the Apostles Creed was a new innovation, and was not always licit.
 
I have. I say it as opposed to the Apostles creed with the Rosary.
 
TrueLight said:
I hope I’m not being disrespectful by saying that I find Credo III kind of musically bland and I think that the setting of the recitation of the Creed - the statement of faith – should have more dramatic, or at least more melodic music.
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It just shows you have good taste! Credo III is a Neo-Gregorian composition from the seventeenth century. Credo I is the authentic melody for the credo from the eleventh century. 🙂
 
TrueLight said:
Oh really?

Would you say the Credo III is sung at most masses?
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From what I know it’s the most common in this country at least. I’m kind of partial to Credo VI myself, although I don’t think I’ve ever heard it sung at Mass.
 
Nicene Creed after Catholic priest’s homily, and Apostles’ Creed after Sign of the Cross Catholic rosary.
 
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