Nicene creed differences in OCP?

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Hi, as convert-in-progress to Catholicism I looked online for the Nicene creed as it is said at my parish (read verbatim out of OCP mass guides), and I’ve noticed that OCP has a different Nicene creed than I find on all Catholic sites I could find online.

Here it is:
We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen.
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We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the father;
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, one in being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
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by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
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For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
He suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day He rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
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He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
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We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
With the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
And the life of the world to come. Amen.
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My question is mainly who made these changes over the original and if they were initiated by the Vatican… purely for curiosity’s sake.

Thank you 🙂
 
Sorry for my ignorance but what is OCP? The version you posted is straight out of the missalette and as far as I know is the approved English translation.
 
I_am_not_Yours said:
Hi, as convert-in-progress to Catholicism I looked online for the Nicene creed as it is said at my parish (read verbatim out of OCP mass guides), and I’ve noticed that OCP has a different Nicene creed than I find on all Catholic sites I could find online.

Here it is:

My question is mainly who made these changes over the original and if they were initiated by the Vatican… purely for curiosity’s sake.

Thank you 🙂
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Can you highlight what the differences are?
 
What original? The original is in Latin. If your complaint is with the translation then your complaint is with ICEL (and it is a poor translation, as was nearly all of ICEL’s work in the 70s).
 
VociMike said:
What original? The original is in Latin. If your complaint is with the translation then your complaint is with ICEL (and it is a poor translation, as was nearly all of ICEL’s work in the 70s).
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I have no complaint; sorry if I made it seem that way. Like I said, I’m just learning and I like to know who does which translations and changes to a central part of the mass. Maybe I’m a weirdo

This is the difference I was talking about (the creed on NewAdvent.org): newadvent.org/cathen/11049a.htm

I suppose the difference might be that it’s a literal translation?
 
I think the English translation that is coming in the next 18-24 months will be closer to the one on the New Advent site than the one that’s used now.
 
OCP is Oregon Catholic Press. It is the publisher that the majority of American parishes use for their pew missals and hymnals. Being from Oregon, I know them quite well and, unfortunately, they are very much a business and any of the spiritual side tends to be rather “progressive”.

In any case, it seems that the translation of the credo is the approved english translation for this time. We expect a new, more exact translation in the near future, but the translation in OCP material and the translation you posted is the approved translation from the Roman Missal. If you believe there is a disagreement between the OCP and the current approved english translation, could you please point it out?

Adam
 
When you look at websites for info, please remember that not all sites in English may be in the same country or use the exact same materials for mass.
 
OCP is Oregon Catholic Press. It is the publisher that the majority of American parishes use for their pew missals and hymnals. Being from Oregon, I know them quite well and, unfortunately, they are very much a business and any of the spiritual side tends to be rather “progressive”.

In any case, it seems that the translation of the credo is the approved english translation for this time. We expect a new, more exact translation in the near future, but the translation in OCP material and the translation you posted is the approved translation from the Roman Missal. If you believe there is a disagreement between the OCP and the current approved english translation, could you please point it out?

Adam
 
NetNuncio said:
If you believe there is a disagreement between the OCP and the current approved english translation, could you please point it out?

Adam
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No, now that I’ve looked into it, there is nothing different… I was ju surprised by the difference between the literal translation and this one.
We expect a new, more exact translation in the near future
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Just wondering, do you have any other info on that? . . future translations, I mean.
 
I_am_not_Yours said:
Just wondering, do you have any other info on that? . . future translations, I mean.
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Well, from the details that have been released, we know that it will now begin “I believe” instead of “We believe” (which is faithful to the original Latin), and that they’re going back to the more accurate phrasing “consubstantial with the Father” in place of “one in being with the Father”.
 
We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is seen and unseen.
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:eek: All these years I’ve been saying “Creator of heaven and earth,” apparently oblivious to the words of everyone around me.
 
James0235 said:
Oregon Catholic Press.

They are "the leading Catholic purveyor of bad music in the United States."
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from that website^
Meanwhile, the nature of the OCP is completely unknown to most laypeople. Many Catholics shudder, for example, when they hear the words Glory & Praise, the prototypical assortment of musical candy that was already stale about 15 years ago but which mysteriously continues to be repackaged and rechewed in parish after parish. “Here I am, Lord,” “Be Not Afraid,” “City of God,” “One Bread, One Body,” “Celtic Alleluia,” and (wait for it) “On Eagle’s Wings”-these all come courtesy of the OCP.
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OKay, now I’m gonna change my story and say that OCP is why I left the Catholic Church! There was better music than that in most protestant places I’ve been.😛
 
I_am_not_Yours said:
I have no complaint; sorry if I made it seem that way. Like I said, I’m just learning and I like to know who does which translations and changes to a central part of the mass. Maybe I’m a weirdo

This is the difference I was talking about (the creed on NewAdvent.org): newadvent.org/cathen/11049a.htm

I suppose the difference might be that it’s a literal translation?
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OK, but the answer is the same. OCP didn’t do the translation, the ICEL did. And the ICEL translations of the time are largely considered to be somewhere between banal and abysmal.

The bigger story here is that with the introduction of the fully vernacular Mass, language groups were completely at the mercy of the translation committees for their languages. In the case of English, the committee (ICEL) had a strong agenda of “improving” the translations rather than making good literal translations. Thus making the English translations some of the worst in the Catholic world. This problem is only slowly being remedied, and with considerable resistance.
 
VociMike said:
What original? The original is in Latin. If your complaint is with the translation then your complaint is with ICEL (and it is a poor translation, as was nearly all of ICEL’s work in the 70s).
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BTW, I think the original Nicene Creed is in Greek. (Though I suspect the ICEL translates from the Latin translation of that creed)

tee
 
tee_eff_em said:
BTW, I think the original Nicene Creed is in Greek. (Though I suspect the ICEL translates from the Latin translation of that creed)

tee
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Fair enough. By “original” what I meant was the official, controlling version of the Roman Missal, which is in Latin.
 
bpbasilphx said:
The original is in Latin.

And Greek.
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OK, just for the sake of argument, the Greek version didn’t have the filioque. So I think it is quite accurate to say that the original Nicene Creed as prayed by the Church is in Latin. Yes?
 
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