Nietzschean Christianity

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Our Priest often tells us to be pro-active and not reactive. I see this to mean that we must work at it (everything). Work at our relationships with God and others, work at being Christian. We must be pro-active in achieving the life of a Christian and yes I see that as an achievement, the greatest achievement.
 
Just to clarify, I’m not suggesting by the term “Nietzschean Christianity” that we go to Nietzsche (or Marx or Rand) merely becase we find something familiar in their writing but rather if they have something valuable to add.
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Nietzschean Christianity is “necessary” if the pursuit of achievement is a good goal for Christians and non-Nietzschean Christianity is lacking in this respect.

So it’s a two-fold question:
  1. Is non-Nietzschean Christianity lacking in the call to achievement? and
  2. Should Chrisitans be called to achievement?
Even if we had:
  1. The pursuit of achievement is a good goal for Christians, and
  2. non-Nietzschean Christianity is lacking in this respect,
it would not follow that
  1. Nietzschean Christianity is “necessary.”
Why should Nietzschean Christianity be the only way to call Christians to achievement, if they are lacking in achievement? Nietzsche’s reasons for calling people to power were distinctly anti-Christian. It seems implausible that we could extract compatible reasons - if they are lacking in present Christianity - for achievement from Nietzsche, for Nietzsche’s achievement was of a fiercely independent sort. Since “God is dead,” one has only to achieve, to make oneself. Why not find some alternative justification for calling non-Nietzschean Christianity to achieve, if it is indeed lacking?
 
Now before I begin I just want to say, yes, I know Nietzsche was an atheist and an inspiration to the Nazis. Try and set that aside, if you can, because what I want to do here is explore one of his core ideas.

Among all his bad ideas, he had one that seemed promising to me, namely that it is the duty of every human being, to the extent of his capacity, to better themselves by striving to accomplish great things, even when it may entail sacrifice. His view of self-improvement involved not only effort but suffering, a cruelty toward one’s own beastial nature.

In some ways, this sounds very familiar to the Christian call to “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect” and “if anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me."

However, the conventional understanding of the Christian call to perfection is, primarily, one of avoiding sin. This leads some to choose passivity since most sin is the result of action, not inaction. Think of the humble holy man.

By contrast, Nietzsche is calling people to strive to do great things. At best, this finds parallel in Christianity in one’s vocational calling. But I have never heard it said that ignoring one’s calling is a sin, though God did give Jonah quite a hard time. For the most part, higher calling in Christianity is to a comtemplative life, not a life of accomplishment.
The Christians call to perfection is unity in Christ through the sacraments and practice of virtue. Your conclusion that the majority of sin is caused by action rather than inaction is, well, incorrect since there is no such thing as inaction in terms of morality. You are either acting morally or you are not. All sin is therefore the result of humans not acting in the way they should.

Nietzsche is calling people to strive to do great things but toward a humanistic end and this is never truly fulfills a human beings desire for greatness. Nietzsche will never be able to say why; however, if you ask a Christian they will say the reason why it never truly fulfills us is because our perfection is found in God not in ourselves. The Christian therefore dies to themselves that they may make room for God who is their perfection.
 
Even if we had:
  1. The pursuit of achievement is a good goal for Christians, and
  2. non-Nietzschean Christianity is lacking in this respect,
it would not follow that
  1. Nietzschean Christianity is “necessary.”
Why should Nietzschean Christianity be the only way to call Christians to achievement, if they are lacking in achievement? Nietzsche’s reasons for calling people to power were distinctly anti-Christian. It seems implausible that we could extract compatible reasons - if they are lacking in present Christianity - for achievement from Nietzsche, for Nietzsche’s achievement was of a fiercely independent sort. Since “God is dead,” one has only to achieve, to make oneself. Why not find some alternative justification for calling non-Nietzschean Christianity to achieve, if it is indeed lacking?
Bear in mind that I’m not entertaining Nietzsche, in general, only this one sliver. So by “Nietzschean Christianity” I mean simply a proactive Christianity that calls on Christians toward achievement of some sort. If 1 and 2 are both true then this is something needed, irrespective of what we call it.

I would happily welcome an alternative model and philosopher who says the same thing as Nietzsche with respect to sacrifice to achieve.
 
Our Priest often tells us to be pro-active and not reactive. I see this to mean that we must work at it (everything). Work at our relationships with God and others, work at being Christian. We must be pro-active in achieving the life of a Christian and yes I see that as an achievement, the greatest achievement.
What you describe sound, to me, like a call to achievement limited to spiritual matters though obvioulsy interpersonal relationships can be complex.
 
The Christians call to perfection is unity in Christ through the sacraments and practice of virtue. Your conclusion that the majority of sin is caused by action rather than inaction is, well, incorrect since there is no such thing as inaction in terms of morality. You are either acting morally or you are not. All sin is therefore the result of humans not acting in the way they should.
If you are not acting then are you acting morally? What sins are you prone to if you withdraw from society and life? To give a simple example, there is no duty to be charitable to the poor if you are, yourself, poor.
Nietzsche is calling people to strive to do great things but toward a humanistic end and this is never truly fulfills a human beings desire for greatness. Nietzsche will never be able to say why; however, if you ask a Christian they will say the reason why it never truly fulfills us is because our perfection is found in God not in ourselves. The Christian therefore dies to themselves that they may make room for God who is their perfection.
Yes, of course, one would hardly expect a Christian goal from an atheist. However, you are falling into a dualism if you are suggesting that humanism is an unworthy domain of Christian achievement.
 
Even in error, there might be some truth.

I very much doubt that Nietzsche had any aspect of Christianity in mind when he wrote what he wrote. However I’m open to correction on this.
If you read “Thus Spake Zarathustra”, there are Biblical idioms and Christian ideas on every page (sometimes modified, sometimes extrapolated. sometimes perverted). Remember, Niezsche reacted against Christianity, and therefore it was in very much in his mind. And he was clearly thoroughly infused with Luther’s translation of the Bible- even in his choice or words and phraseology, it comes through.
 
Among all his bad ideas, he had one that seemed promising to me, namely that it is the duty of every human being, to the extent of his capacity, to better themselves by striving to accomplish great things, even when it may entail sacrifice.
This sentence you write above is actually not compatible with the values promulgated by Nietzsche. He was staunchly non-egalitarian and would have rejected Jefferson’s statement that “all men are created equal.” Thus, the phrase “every human being” is something he would not have agreed with; rather, he believed that it was in the nature of the stronger human being to overcome himself, to “overflow” with inner power. Though he believed this was indeed the “goal” of humanity, he never believed for a moment that all of humanity – or even the majority of humanity – was “worthy” of it in terms of having the requisite strength.

“Achievement” was also not a watchword of Nietzsche – certainly not worldly achievement. With Nietzsche, it was something more inward, more spiritual, although it did have outward manifestations. One proof of greatest strength was the ability to “yes” to life, to truly affirm life as it is (amor fati, he called it, “love of fate”). He felt that Greek tragedy did this – what he called a “pessimism of strength.” Not to shy away from suffering but to affirm all of life, its joys as well as its sorrows. Everything else, in a sense, would follow therefrom, from this strength to say “yes” to life and to affirm reality in all of its joyousness and all of its terribleness (like Oedipus, but who does not blind himself in despair over what he sees).

From such strength would come certain qualities – a “yes”-saying nature; a certain Dionysian joy, that could affirm life even in its suffering or most heart-breaking aspects; an overflowing generosity, “gift-giving virtue”, which has such an inner wealth of spirit that it cannot help but “give away and distribute”, not in a material sense so much as a “spiritual” sense. Strength that showed a freedom from* ressentiment *(resentment); for Nietzsche, resentment and vengefulness, ill will, was a manifestation of weakness. Finally, Nietzsche eschewed pity; he preferred the “sharing of joy” to the “sharing of suffering” (to give a banal but pertinent example, Metallica’s song “Misery” has a very Nietzschean message in terms of critiquing a form of “compassion” that actually wallows in, multiples misery).

There is much in his philosophy that is compatible with Christianity,and an ambitious investigator could even try to draw parallels between Nietzsche’s “man of strength” and the personality of Christ, especially in the freedom from resentment and “gift-giving virtue” aspect of Nietzsche’s ideal. Nonetheless, it is true that Nietzsche himself saw little similarity between his ideas, and those of Christianity. He saw Christ as a weak nature, not as a strong one. To disagree with him, though, does not mean that it is Nietzsche’s philosophy, in its entirety, that one has to reject. Where I think a Christian can affirm Nietzschean ideas is in an affirmation of strength and courage; self-mastery. Nietzsche also had critiques of Christians that Christians themselves could take to heart, in terms of self-criticism. Is it true that, for some Christians, turning the other cheek is a subtle of revenge? Taking the moral high ground can be a way of shaming one who has wronged you. (Nietzsche writes, “But if you have an enemy, do not requite him evil with good, for that would put him to shame. Rather prove that he did you some good”). Is there a difference between kindness out of genuine benevolence, and kindness out of sheer timidity or cowardice? Certainly there is; even Gandhi acknowledged as much (Nietzsche writes, "Of all evil I deem you capable: Therefore I want good from you. Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws.”) Nietzsche also critiques a certain type of Christian when he writes, “The reverse side of Christian compassion for the suffering of one’s neighbor is a profound suspicion of all the joy of one’s neighbor, of his joy in all that he wants to do and can” (like Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, the caregiver who is threatened at the prospect of her psych patient getting well and would prefer to keep him sick, as in her line, “what would your mother think?”). Nietzsche challenges Christians, by critiquing what he perceives to be less-than honorable psychological motivations, and some of these criticisms can indeed be of value to Christians themselves.
 
This sentence you write above is actually not compatible with the values promulgated by Nietzsche. He was staunchly non-egalitarian and would have rejected Jefferson’s statement that “all men are created equal.” Thus, the phrase “every human being” is something he would not have agreed with; rather, he believed that it was in the nature of the stronger human being to overcome himself, to “overflow” with inner power. Though he believed this was indeed the “goal” of humanity, he never believed for a moment that all of humanity – or even the majority of humanity – was “worthy” of it in terms of having the requisite strength.

“Achievement” was also not a watchword of Nietzsche – certainly not worldly achievement. With Nietzsche, it was something more inward, more spiritual, although it did have outward manifestations. One proof of greatest strength was the ability to “yes” to life, to truly affirm life as it is (amor fati, he called it, “love of fate”). He felt that Greek tragedy did this – what he called a “pessimism of strength.” Not to shy away from suffering but to affirm all of life, its joys as well as its sorrows. Everything else, in a sense, would follow therefrom, from this strength to say “yes” to life and to affirm reality in all of its joyousness and all of its terribleness (like Oedipus, but who does not blind himself in despair over what he sees).

From such strength would come certain qualities – a “yes”-saying nature; a certain Dionysian joy, that could affirm life even in its suffering or most heart-breaking aspects; an overflowing generosity, “gift-giving virtue”, which has such an inner wealth of spirit that it cannot help but “give away and distribute”, not in a material sense so much as a “spiritual” sense. Strength that showed a freedom from* ressentiment *(resentment); for Nietzsche, resentment and vengefulness, ill will, was a manifestation of weakness. Finally, Nietzsche eschewed pity; he preferred the “sharing of joy” to the “sharing of suffering” (to give a banal but pertinent example, Metallica’s song “Misery” has a very Nietzschean message in terms of critiquing a form of “compassion” that actually wallows in, multiples misery).

There is much in his philosophy that is compatible with Christianity,and an ambitious investigator could even try to draw parallels between Nietzsche’s “man of strength” and the personality of Christ, especially in the freedom from resentment and “gift-giving virtue” aspect of Nietzsche’s ideal. Nonetheless, it is true that Nietzsche himself saw little similarity between his ideas, and those of Christianity. He saw Christ as a weak nature, not as a strong one. To disagree with him, though, does not mean that it is Nietzsche’s philosophy, in its entirety, that one has to reject. Where I think a Christian can affirm Nietzschean ideas is in an affirmation of strength and courage; self-mastery. Nietzsche also had critiques of Christians that Christians themselves could take to heart, in terms of self-criticism. Is it true that, for some Christians, turning the other cheek is a subtle of revenge? Taking the moral high ground can be a way of shaming one who has wronged you. (Nietzsche writes, “But if you have an enemy, do not requite him evil with good, for that would put him to shame. Rather prove that he did you some good”). Is there a difference between kindness out of genuine benevolence, and kindness out of sheer timidity or cowardice? Certainly there is; even Gandhi acknowledged as much (Nietzsche writes, "Of all evil I deem you capable: Therefore I want good from you. Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws.”) Nietzsche also critiques a certain type of Christian when he writes, “The reverse side of Christian compassion for the suffering of one’s neighbor is a profound suspicion of all the joy of one’s neighbor, of his joy in all that he wants to do and can” (like Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, the caregiver who is threatened at the prospect of her psych patient getting well and would prefer to keep him sick, as in her line, “what would your mother think?”). Nietzsche challenges Christians, by critiquing what he perceives to be less-than honorable psychological motivations, and some of these criticisms can indeed be of value to Christians themselves.
It is good to have a response from someone who actually has read and understood Nietzsche- a dark mirror to Christians, in which we can see our flaws, especially those of complacency, and mediocrity. The Superman- of whom Christ is the exemplar and perfection- finds the meaning of life in throwing himself away, in embracing the flame which destroys, but in destroying illuminates, who as Nietzsche said of the Superman:
I love him who justifieth the future ones, and redeemeth the past ones:
for he is willing to succumb through the present ones.

P.S. I am also quite chuffed that there is a Christian who understands both Nietzsche and Metallica!
 
If you are not acting then are you acting morally? What sins are you prone to if you withdraw from society and life? To give a simple example, there is no duty to be charitable to the poor if you are, yourself, poor.
This is not true since charity does not always have to come in the form of money. One can still be poor and charitable to poor people. There is always the duty to be charitable.
Yes, of course, one would hardly expect a Christian goal from an atheist.
Of course and this is not something I was expecting. I was saying the atheist calls for humans to do great things, but forgets that humans are not the source of their greatness. Being an atheist and calling humans to greatness and saying they can achieve it of their own power, is like telling Stephen Hawking to get up and dance the Robot, while telling him that the power to dance the Robot is within him. Unfortunately the obstacle in the way of Stephen doing the Robot is Stephen himself. He cannot be expected to have the power to do something which is beyond his nature, unless there was something outside of him that he could participate with to achieve the goal of dancing the Robot. Yet because atheists do not believe in a God they cannot propose a solution to the problem that humans are actually weak, fragile, and dependent creatures incapable of greatness on their own. Their disbelief takes away the very being (God) that has the power to get them to the greatness they cannot achieve on their own or by their own “power”.

Christians on the other hand admit this reality that humans are not the source of their own greatness and acknowledge man as having a fallen nature. As a result of this, greatness is therefore no longer looked for in other men but toward an outward source which is beyond them. They realize the calling they have for greatness is actually a calling from Greatness itself; God. They see it as an invitation to unity with Him, which can only be achieved by Him with their participation. There is a saying “Without God I cannot, and without me He will not.” Man’s role in greatness is seen as one of participation with Him who is Greatness itself’; God. They realize that man is dependent on the will of God for all things. Atheists however at the most will say they depend on chance or luck which are words used to acknowledge order but not its source; God. Christians on the other hand view all things as coming from the will of God and do not attribute actions or outcomes to chance or luck. They see the order and they attribute this to an intelligent being that knows them and their needs.

In the end the atheist sacrifices to the god of mankind, which just so happens to be the source of the problem. Christians however sacrifice to a God in order to achieve a greatness they know they are not the source of.
 
**portofino

Nietzsche challenges Christians, by critiquing what he perceives to be less-than honorable psychological motivations, and some of these criticisms can indeed be of value to Christians themselves. **

Christians do not need to read Nietzsche to criticize themselves. There are so many better authors to read … and then there is the confessional most of all, by which we criticize ourselves. Did Nietzsche ever use it? :confused:
 
Now before I begin I just want to say, yes, I know Nietzsche was an atheist and an inspiration to the Nazis. Try and set that aside, if you can, because what I want to do here is explore one of his core ideas.

Among all his bad ideas, he had one that seemed promising to me, namely that it is the duty of every human being, to the extent of his capacity, to better themselves by striving to accomplish great things, even when it may entail sacrifice. His view of self-improvement involved not only effort but suffering, a cruelty toward one’s own beastial nature.

In some ways, this sounds very familiar to the Christian call to “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect” and “if anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me."

However, the conventional understanding of the Christian call to perfection is, primarily, one of avoiding sin. This leads some to choose passivity since most sin is the result of action, not inaction. Think of the humble holy man.

By contrast, Nietzsche is calling people to strive to do great things. At best, this finds parallel in Christianity in one’s vocational calling. But I have never heard it said that ignoring one’s calling is a sin, though God did give Jonah quite a hard time. For the most part, higher calling in Christianity is to a comtemplative life, not a life of accomplishment.
Well, no. I wouldn’t say that Neitzsche’s call to do great things has its closest parallel in the vocation, or even in personal or collective holiness. Rather, the greatest deed than anyone can do is to pursue paradise through whatever means are prescribed for us by Him who knows what means will work. There can be nothing greater than becoming a royal of Heaven, and this is something we should -all- aspire to.

Therefore, I agree with Neitzsche’s call to do “great things.” I merely disagree with him about how “great” a great thing needs to be, in order to be a “great thing.”

I would also say that Neitzsche had something else of value to say. Namely, that if we remove God from the picture, we also remove all meaning and purpose in our lives. I think he was right about that.
 
**mytruepower

Therefore, I agree with Neitzsche’s call to do “great things.” I merely disagree with him about how “great” a great thing needs to be, in order to be a “great thing.”**

“No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a cellar or under a basket, but on a stand, that those who come in may see the light. The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore when your eye is good, your whole body is also full of light; but when it is evil, your body also is full of darkness. Therefore see whether the light that is in you isn’t darkness. If therefore your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, it will be wholly full of light, as when the lamp with its bright shining gives you light.”
—Luke 11:33–36
 
“Achievement” was also not a watchword of Nietzsche – certainly not worldly achievement. With Nietzsche, it was something more inward, more spiritual, although it did have outward manifestations.
I am no expert on Nietzsche, and the rest of your post is perfectly consistent with what little I do know of him and is not inconsistent with my hypothesis here. So I just wanted to draw out this which does contradcit my understanding and hypothesis.

My understanding of Nietzsche is that his ideal may have started inward but certainly it did not end there and the “superman” was, indeed, a person of achievement in the worldly sense of the word (so much so that, as you point out elsewhere, he felt that the better should rule the lesser). Are you asserting that Nietzsche’s concept was devoid of worldy achievement or were you merely turning the focus to the inward aspects of it?
 
This is not true since charity does not always have to come in the form of money. One can still be poor and charitable to poor people. There is always the duty to be charitable.
I’m afraid that you are missing my point: The Christian concept of charity does not extend to a call to be capable of charity. It says, if you have, you give. (And, yes, there are many ways you can give or, more generally, be charitable.) If, for example, you are capable of being a great physician who saves lives but you choose instead to be a panhandler you are not violating Christian charity. If you do become a great physician then you are expected to do what you can for others given your station in life.

Returning to my original claim, most other sins are sins of commission, not sins of omission. Now the Jewish law did, certainly, contain many (ritual) requirements. But Christianity dropped most of these.
Of course and this is not something I was expecting. I was saying the atheist calls for humans to do great things, but forgets that humans are not the source of their greatness. Being an atheist and calling humans to greatness and saying they can achieve it of their own power, is like telling Stephen Hawking to get up and dance the Robot, while telling him that the power to dance the Robot is within him. Unfortunately the obstacle in the way of Stephen doing the Robot is Stephen himself. He cannot be expected to have the power to do something which is beyond his nature, unless there was something outside of him that he could participate with to achieve the goal of dancing the Robot. Yet because atheists do not believe in a God they cannot propose a solution to the problem that humans are actually weak, fragile, and dependent creatures incapable of greatness on their own. Their disbelief takes away the very being (God) that has the power to get them to the greatness they cannot achieve on their own or by their own “power”.
Christians on the other hand admit this reality that humans are not the source of their own greatness and acknowledge man as having a fallen nature. As a result of this, greatness is therefore no longer looked for in other men but toward an outward source which is beyond them. They realize the calling they have for greatness is actually a calling from Greatness itself; God. They see it as an invitation to unity with Him, which can only be achieved by Him with their participation. There is a saying “Without God I cannot, and without me He will not.” Man’s role in greatness is seen as one of participation with Him who is Greatness itself’; God. They realize that man is dependent on the will of God for all things. Atheists however at the most will say they depend on chance or luck which are words used to acknowledge order but not its source; God. Christians on the other hand view all things as coming from the will of God and do not attribute actions or outcomes to chance or luck. They see the order and they attribute this to an intelligent being that knows them and their needs.
In the end the atheist sacrifices to the god of mankind, which just so happens to be the source of the problem. Christians however sacrifice to a God in order to achieve a greatness they know they are not the source of.
Yes, yes. Let’s set aside the difference in the source of greatness between the atheist and the Christian. That is without dispute.

Let me rephrase the question this way: does Christian greatness include worldy achievement? Is worldly achievement part of the process of achieving unity with God? When, for example, nuns call on their students to do their best are they misleading them away from God or are they leading them to God?
 
From Bubba’s post 18
As you can see, I’m more than a little suspicious of your examples as it’s so easy to find better one.
It’s so easy to tweek something and make it seem like something else. Anybody can do this.
It amazes me that people who do this simple thing think they’re being clever. Not! :sleep:
 
My understanding of Nietzsche is that his ideal may have started inward but certainly it did not end there and the “superman” was, indeed, a person of achievement in the worldly sense of the word (so much so that, as you point out elsewhere, he felt that the better should rule the lesser). Are you asserting that Nietzsche’s concept was devoid of worldy achievement or were you merely turning the focus to the inward aspects of it?
It’s true that Nietzsche admired great men of action such as Napoleon or Julius Caesar, as well as great artists such as Shakespeare and Goethe. These individuals, as you may have read, were those he considered “near misses” to overmanhood. But it was something more “spiritual”, more “inward” if you will, that he admired in these individuals – “great spirits”, he may have called them, “profound natures.” The actual accomplishment was more of an afterthought; or, perhaps, was something that flowed so naturally from the inward, that it was not itself to be celebrated for its own sake.

I’ve found this passage that I think best addresses the topic you bring up regarding Nietzsche’s view of outward actions and achievements. As you may know, his childhood environment was Lutheran, and – in the below passage – he expresses a clever variation of the “faith versus works” formula promulgated by Luther.

“What is noble? What does the word “noble” still mean to us nowadays? What reveals the noble human being, how do people recognize him, under this heavy, oppressive sky at the beginning of the rule of the rabble, which is making everything opaque and leaden? - It is not the actions which prove him - actions are always ambiguous, always inscrutable -; nor is it the “works.” Among artists and scholars today we find a sufficient number of those who through their works reveal how a profound desire for what is noble drives them: but this very need for what is noble is fundamentally different from the needs of the noble soul itself and is really the eloquent and dangerous indication that such a soul is lacking. It’s not the works; it’s the belief which decides here, which here establishes the order of rank, to take up once more an old religious formula with a new and more profound understanding: some basic certainty which a noble soul has about itself, something which does not allow itself to be sought out or found or perhaps even to be lost. The noble soul has reverence for itself.-”
 
Now before I begin I just want to say, yes, I know Nietzsche was an atheist and an inspiration to the Nazis. Try and set that aside, if you can, because what I want to do here is explore one of his core ideas.

Among all his bad ideas, he had one that seemed promising to me, namely that it is the duty of every human being, to the extent of his capacity, to better themselves by striving to accomplish great things, even when it may entail sacrifice. His view of self-improvement involved not only effort but suffering, a cruelty toward one’s own beastial nature.

In some ways, this sounds very familiar to the Christian call to “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect” and “if anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me."

However, the conventional understanding of the Christian call to perfection is, primarily, one of avoiding sin. This leads some to choose passivity since most sin is the result of action, not inaction. Think of the humble holy man.

By contrast, Nietzsche is calling people to strive to do great things. At best, this finds parallel in Christianity in one’s vocational calling. But I have never heard it said that ignoring one’s calling is a sin, though God did give Jonah quite a hard time. For the most part, higher calling in Christianity is to a comtemplative life, not a life of accomplishment.
Interesting. We all are given talents. God expects us to do something with them. There is a parable about the servant who did not invest his talent and he was thrown out into the darkness since he did not invest it. Marriage is an investment. A non-married life that involves actively preaching - what all lay Catholics are called to do - is an investment. Just posting here and encouraging others is an action. And how valuable is a person’s soul if you help just one person? The contemplative life is what some are called to do. Their devotional life is an investment of themselves to do yet something else God wants us to do. Prayer is needed. A life of prayer and devotion is not a limit.

The world gives us its version of accomplishment. God gives us many more opportunities. Our final goal is to meet God and live with Him. Is owning a billion dollar business an accomplishment? Yes. But one Catholic plans to be broke when he dies. He knows that his treasure here will not join him in Heaven.

biblehub.com/matthew/6-21.htm Let us store up treasures for Heaven where moth and rust do not destroy

Peace,
Ed
 
**Daddy

People can–and often do–want to better themselves and the world even if they do not believe in God**

That is because God has planted in them the natural law, which is to do good and avoid evil.

So they want to do good because of God, not in spite of God.
 
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