Ninevah 90 Challenge & the 100-Year Anniversary of Fatima

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It looks like something that would really benefit our country and ourselves. It does look intense, not sure I could manage it with my responsibilities.
But as someone else said, a modified version would be a good start.

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Why is everyone so obsessed with the 100 years of fatima

The angel first appeared in 1916, so technically is 101 years since the apparitions began
 
gracepoole said:
Our Lady of Fatima, 1917-2017 – Why 100 Years Matters
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Oh, good grief. Yet something else based on the legend of the Vision of Pope Leo? And what of this penchant for finding events that happen exactly 50 years from this or that?

The first error in this article is in the very first sentence: "According to legend, exactly 33 years (span of our Lord’s life)…"

Fact: no one knows how old Christ was when He was crucified. His birth year cannot be definitively determined nor the year of the crucifixion.

Also, the Mamas and the Papas did not record the song San Francisco (Be sure to wear flowers in your hair); it was Scott McKenzie.

Lastly, blogs aren’t good for much.
 
Tim_D said:
Oh, good grief. Yet something else based on the legend of the Vision of Pope Leo? And what of this penchant for finding events that happen exactly 50 years from this or that?

The first error in this article is in the very first sentence: "According to legend, exactly 33 years (span of our Lord’s life)…"

Fact: no one knows how old Christ was when He was crucified. His birth year cannot be definitively determined nor the year of the crucifixion.

Also, the Mamas and the Papas did not record the song San Francisco (Be sure to wear flowers in your hair); it was Scott McKenzie.

Lastly, blogs aren’t good for much.
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Yeah? Is a Catholic priest? The piece you’re so blithely saying “good grief” to was written by one. :rolleyes:
 
gracepoole said:
Yeah? Is a Catholic priest? The piece you’re so blithely saying “good grief” to was written by one. :rolleyes:
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One would hope that a priest could at least get his facts correct especially the fact that the Vision of Pope Leo is nothing but Catholic urban legend.
 
Tim_D said:
One would hope that a priest could at least get his facts correct especially the fact that the Vision of Pope Leo is nothing but Catholic urban legend.
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You yourself quoted his acknowledgement that it’s a legend. :confused: One has to wonder why there’s a need to be so needlessly obstinate in response to a priest. You’re a layman with access to the internet. It’s a tough choice but I think I’ll go with the priest.
 
gracepoole said:
You yourself quoted his acknowledgement that it’s a legend. :confused: One has to wonder why there’s a need to be so needlessly obstinate in response to a priest. You’re a layman with access to the internet. It’s a tough choice but I think I’ll go with the priest.
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Why would one use a legend in order to propose the significance of a historical event? If the foundation of an argument is baseless, then the entire argument is baseless.
 
Tim_D said:
One would hope that a priest could at least get his facts correct especially the fact that the Vision of Pope Leo is nothing but Catholic urban legend.
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If you mean there is no actual proof from the statement of Pope Leo himself that this occurred, you are correct. However, there were statements from a cardinal as well as the pope’s secretary at the time that this occurred, as well as the exorcism prayer that the Pope composed, and the fact that the Leonine prayers, so-called, were added to the Mass at that time. So calling it ‘Catholic urban legend’ without even considering that it may be true is pretty short-sighted.

Of course Fatima, though an approved revelation, is not ‘binding’ on Catholics. But instead of finding fault at alleged wrong dates (how do you know that Jesus Christ was not born in say 4BC and died in AD 29, which would make him 33 and seems to line up with various scholars’ timelines, for example), how about addressing the actual OP. I guess you aren’t interested in the challenge, which is fine, but for those of us who are, our intentions and ideas are every bit as valid as yours. Any private practice (and this is indeed private, for individuals, though we can speak about it in public just as we speak of saying our rosaries) that is done for the love of God and involves worthy things such as prayer, penance, and almsgiving is perfectly 'Catholic" and should not be sneered at by a fellow Catholic.
 
Tim_D said:
Why would one use a legend in order to propose the significance of a historical event?
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The very idea that this story is NOT an historical event is itself a bit of Catholic legend.

The primary source documentation for it leads back to a Fr. Domenico Pechenino, who himself witnessed the event.
 
InOmnemTerram said:
The very idea that this story is NOT an historical event is itself a bit of Catholic legend.

The primary source documentation for it leads back to a Fr. Domenico Pechenino, who himself witnessed the event.
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Thought the link is broken, I will copy and paste what I have written before:

The “vision” of Pope Leo is nothing more than pious legend. From EWTN:

The problems with the story connecting the institution of the St. Michael prayer and a supposed vision of Leo XIII may be summarized as follows:

• Writings which promote the story give no references to sources.

• The various accounts contradict each other as to where the vision supposedly took place — after Mass at the foot of the altar, or in a conference with cardinals.

• The various accounts are inconsistent about the date of the vision.

• The dates the accounts give for the alleged vision (1880, 1884 and 1888) do not correspond with the date when the St. Michael prayer was actually instituted (1886).

• There appears to be no corroboration for the story in a contemporary account which one would expect to have mentioned the event, had it indeed taken place.

These considerations all tend to support the conclusion Father Bers arrived at in the 1930s: “that the ‘vision’ had been invented in later times for some reason,” and that the story was simply feeding upon itself.

ewtn.com/v/experts/showme…?number=367591
 
Tantum_ergo said:
So calling it ‘Catholic urban legend’ without even considering that it may be true is pretty short-sighted.
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The consideration of legitimacy was done long ago by a German priest named Father Bers who found that there wasn’t a lick of evidence to support the historicity of the event. So, I am puzzled as to whether you are calling me or Father Bers “short-sighted.”
 
Starts today, yay!

I decided at the last minute that I’m doing this. Not only because the message of our Lady of Fatima (which is Church approved) stresses the importance of prayer and penance, but also because this will help me develop self-discipline in a couple much needed areas (something I need great improvement in).

The program is pretty intense, but here is the video that put things in perspective for me:

youtube.com/watch?v=oOPgaStNNTs

After spending the weekend contemplating what I can or cannot do, I decided 95% of this is doable for me.

Bonus: this will definitely enrich Lent for me this year and I know from experience that Jesus does indeed pour out graces on us to help us with our Lenten mortifications.

Is there somewhere on the forum here that people are gathering to support each other in this? Could we do that here in this thread? I need a support group as recommended.
 
RosyAnne said:
Starts today, yay!

I decided at the last minute that I’m doing this. Not only because the message of our Lady of Fatima (which is Church approved) stresses the importance of prayer and penance, but also because this will help me develop self-discipline in a couple much needed areas (something I need great improvement in).

The program is pretty intense, but here is the video that put things in perspective for me:

youtube.com/watch?v=oOPgaStNNTs

After spending the weekend contemplating what I can or cannot do, I decided 95% of this is doable for me.

Bonus: this will definitely enrich Lent for me this year and I know from experience that Jesus does indeed pour out graces on us to help us with our Lenten mortifications.

Is there somewhere on the forum here that people are gathering to support each other in this? Could we do that here in this thread? I need a support group as recommended.
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Hi, Rosy! Are you on Facebook?
 
No I’m not, not on twitter either. I popped in to the forum here thinking surely there would be a crowd doing this but…crickets…lol. Maybe I can just follow along someone’s facebook page but not submit any replies. That’s ok I guess, at least rubbing shoulders with people online who are doing this will surely help.

So far day #1 is going well and I made sure to pray this morning at Mass asking Jesus to help me live these 90 days well and with sincere penitential intentions.
 
I have questions about the Marian consecration that this devotion leads to.
I know that Mary will lead us to Jesus, but St louis de montford seems a little over the top. Am I misreading this?
Will consecration to Mary draw us closer to Jesus?
Thanks for answers.

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RosyAnne said:
Starts today, yay!

I decided at the last minute that I’m doing this. Not only because the message of our Lady of Fatima (which is Church approved) stresses the importance of prayer and penance, but also because this will help me develop self-discipline in a couple much needed areas (something I need great improvement in)…
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I decided to start at lunch on Day 1. So far this has really improved my spiritual discipline. I enjoyed adding the Angelus to my daily prayer routine, we finally have the daily Family Rosary happening, the daily workouts are always welcome and I am really pumped about getting the jump on Lent with the Wednesday/ Friday bread-and-water fasts! Two enthusiastic thumbs up.
RosyAnne said:
The program is pretty intense, but here is the video that put things in perspective for me:

youtube.com/watch?v=oOPgaStNNTs
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That’s a good video. I enjoyed it, but I also appreciated all the retro military appeal of this one:

youtube.com/watch?v=tzQHE7NSr3M
RosyAnne said:
After spending the weekend contemplating what I can or cannot do, I decided 95% of this is doable for me.
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I think the only thing I definitely am unable to do is daily mass/ adoration, but I am still working out the logistics to improve the attendance. I miss working next to a church!
RosyAnne said:
Bonus: this will definitely enrich Lent for me this year and I know from experience that Jesus does indeed pour out graces on us to help us with our Lenten mortifications.
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I agree! There is the small crisis of St. Pat’s being on a Friday (I suppose I could live on Irish soda bread for a day), but it will be worth it I’m sure.
RosyAnne said:
Is there somewhere on the forum here that people are gathering to support each other in this? Could we do that here in this thread? I need a support group as recommended.
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The thread sounds good to me! Dominus vobiscum.
 
Well I had a rough week. The first week was A-OK and I thought, gee, this isn’t so bad at all! Then as of the 20th, I was down with the cold all this week. I was able to keep some of the fasting going, the Rosary novena no problem but the Angelus was not done on schedule (6/12/6) but I did my best so I’m not going to give up. The TV/internet time was blown…but I’m raring to get up and get started at this again this week.

I am going to really try getting to Confession on Tuesday so that I have a fresh start for Lent. I found when I’ve done this in the past it does help give me that extra boost at the start of Lent.

I do believe this challenge is pleasing to God and graces are being poured on us to help us do this.
 
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