NO and Tridentine Liturgical Calendars

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How different are they? Are all the top saints days the same?

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ClemtheCatholic said:
How different are they? Are all the top saints days the same?

Thanks, and God Bless,
ClemtheCatholic
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Most of the holy days of obligation are on or about the same day. A very large number of other feast days occur on different days–sometimes months apart.

Also, the 1970 calendar eliminated a lot of penitential days, like Ember Days, octaves, vigils, etc.

Also, the 1970 calendar changed the seasons:

Old calendar=Advent, Christmastide, Season after Epiphany, Septuagesima Season, Lenten Season, Easter season, Season after Pentacost

New calendar=Advent, Christmastide, Ordinary Time, Lenten Season, Easter Season, More Ordinary Time.

There are probably other changes but these are the ones I noticed after switching to the TLM.
 
Hmm, okay, thanks. 🙂 Any ideas on websites which show the two calendars?
 
M-Dent said:
Interesting you brought this up. (Was just thinking about this topic of liturgical calendars). Today I am going to Mass (Of - current missal) for the Memorial of St Vincent de Paul. And going to tomorrow mornings Mass (EF - 1962 missal) St. Wenceslaus.

I use these sites I have bookmarked,
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Thanks! Is the US Bishops one the Novus Ordo calendar and the other link the Tridentine?
 
Rich_C said:
Most of the holy days of obligation are on or about the same day.
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Just to clarify, those who follow the old calendar are bound to go to Mass on the same holy days of obligation as those following the new calendar. The day is always the same, but the feast is sometimes different, e.g. 1 January - Octave Day of Christmas vs. Mother of God (I know, it’s still the Octave Day, but it’s different).
 
Ad_Orientem said:
Just to clarify, those who follow the old calendar are bound to go to Mass on the same holy days of obligation as those following the new calendar. The day is always the same, but the feast is sometimes different, e.g. 1 January - Octave Day of Christmas vs. Mother of God (I know, it’s still the Octave Day, but it’s different).
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Actually this is not true. Holy days of obligation can be fulfilled on the proper feast day in either the old calendar or the new. This question came up when the England/Whales bishops tried to force holy days to be transferred to Sundays for the TLM so that everyone was in harmony. Ecclesia Dei said no, that the 1962 calendar is integral to the rite and Holy Days of obligation can be fulfilled on their proper day in the old calendar, which may not be the same day as the NO calendar.

This has actually come up in my parish and we can fulfill the obligation in the old calendar at the TLM, in the new calendar on the new day or if transferred to a Sunday on the Sunday.
 
ClemtheCatholic said:
How different are they? Are all the top saints days the same?

Thanks, and God Bless,
ClemtheCatholic
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No. They’re not the same. For example, we can’t celebrate the feast of St. Francis as a solemnity using the EF calendar, nor can we celebrate the solemnity of the Stigmata. On the EF calendar, St. Francis is a third class feast. There is no mechanism to change that. We either use the revised calendar or we improvise by playing around with the EF.

The constitution calls for a Triduum from October 2 to October 4. It also calls for a solemn high mass on Sept 16 for the Stigmata.

We have to celebrate the feast of Bl. John Paul II, Bl. Teresa of Calcutta and St. Maximilian Kolbe. They’re not in the EF calendar.

Like this, there are many challenges. Parishes, schools, chapels and other places of worship that are staffed by religious orders have to get creative if they want to use the EF on holy days that are not on the EF calendar. It’s not hard to get creative. You borrow collects from here and there and you celebrate a high mass according to your tradition. What I mean is that it’s not already done for you as would be let’s say the Immaculate Conception.

Also, some dates don’t coincide. Then you have to move things around. For example, we are bound, under pain of sin, to celebrate the Solemnity of Mercy Sunday. It’s not in the EF calendar. But there are parishes that are run by religious orders bound to this feast. It cannot be replaced by the Second Sunday of Easter. It must be the proper mass for Divine Mercy Sunday.

A lot depends on what diocese you’re in, what religious order runs your parish or institution and if you’re a religious yourself.
 
I do know that some saints got kicked off the EF calendar for the new liturgical calendar, because I heard an anecdote about how Pope Paul VI was considering to drop St. Norbert, but his Norbertine friends convinced him otherwise. Also, I know then-Cardinal Ratzinger mentioned in his memoirs that Pope Pius XII also made some reforms. I remember reading something about the Triduum and Baptism?
 
janeway529 said:
I do know that some saints got kicked off the EF calendar for the new liturgical calendar, because I heard an anecdote about how Pope Paul VI was considering to drop St. Norbert, but his Norbertine friends convinced him otherwise. Also, I know then-Cardinal Ratzinger mentioned in his memoirs that Pope Pius XII also made some reforms. I remember reading something about the Triduum and Baptism?
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The General Calendar was considered vastly overcrowded by the start of the 20th century. Pope St. Pius X didn’t suppress any saints’ days, but he did play around with the rankings of liturgical days so ferial Sundays and seasonal weekdays would take precedence over most saints.

Pius XII suppressed a handful of octaves and vigils to avoid them from overlapping with other saints’ days.

Bl. John XXIII then merely suppressed most of the lesser saints’ and feasts’ days, and simplified the rubrics a bit. The post-Vatican II General Calendar promulgated by S.D. Paul VI is mostly based off of that.
 
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