No co-minglins of water into wine during Offertory?

[bshonka]

This morning after Mass I asked the celebrant if I’d missed the adding of water into the wine during the offertory. He stated that one of the more recent changes gave the option of having the chalice prepared (water and wine mixed) before Mass. So when the gifts were brought up, the priest went right into the “Lord, we have this bread to offer, etc.” followed by “Lord, we have this wine to offer, etc. . .”.
I usually try to keep up with the rubrics and had never heard of this—not in the GIRM nor in the Redemptionis Sacramentum. He could not tell me when it was changed, nor by what, but that it was a current change.

Would you please update me how this change came about, or is it just another abuse of the rubrics in our diocese?

Thank you and God bless you,
Bernadette Shonka, Obl.S.B.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

bshonka:

This morning after Mass I asked the celebrant if I’d missed the adding of water into the wine during the offertory. He stated that one of the more recent changes gave the option of having the chalice prepared (water and wine mixed) before Mass. So when the gifts were brought up, the priest went right into the “Lord, we have this bread to offer, etc.” followed by “Lord, we have this wine to offer, etc. . .”.
I usually try to keep up with the rubrics and had never heard of this—not in the GIRM nor in the Redemptionis Sacramentum. He could not tell me when it was changed, nor by what, but that it was a current change.

Would you please update me how this change came about, or is it just another abuse of the rubrics in our diocese?

Thank you and God bless you,
Bernadette Shonka, Obl.S.B.

I have seen the use of a “Prepared chalice” before, but I have always understood this to not be a Pre-mixed chalice. The times I have seen this used the chalice only had wine in it and the water was mixed on the altar in plain view.

 

[FenianMan]

This is not a licit “option” but an abuse, albeit an abuse with a historical basis. The Dominican rite of the Mass places the preparation of the gifts (including the mixing of the water and wine) before Mass. Some Dominicans, unfortunately but understandably, have retained the practice and so have perhaps unwittingly perpetuated the abuse.