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Just wondering if only offering the Eucharist at an alter rail and not offering a line and reception standing is ok. To me it seems like there might be some defiance here. I’m probably completly wrong but I just wanted to know if there is anything official I could referance. Oh, and this is a Novus Ordo Mass.Thanks for the help.
 
Just wondering if only offering the Eucharist at an alter rail and not offering a line and reception standing is ok. To me it seems like there might be some defiance here. I’m probably completly wrong but I just wanted to know if there is anything official I could referance. Oh, and this is a Novus Ordo Mass.Thanks for the help.
As far as I know, that’s actually the “normative”* means of distributing Holy Communion in the Catholic Church.

(*Normative meaning the ideal; not meaning “normal” or “usual.”)
 
Just wondering if only offering the Eucharist at an alter rail and not offering a line and reception standing is ok. To me it seems like there might be some defiance here. I’m probably completly wrong but I just wanted to know if there is anything official I could referance. Oh, and this is a Novus Ordo Mass.Thanks for the help.
It is more than okay, it is the prefered way.
 
As far as I know, that’s actually the “normative”* means of distributing Holy Communion in the Catholic Church.

(*Normative meaning the ideal; not meaning “normal” or “usual.”)
This actualy makes sense now that you say it. I like recieving kneeling anyway. Although theGIRM reads:

" 160. The priest then takes the paten or ciborium and goes to the communicants, who, as a rule, approach in a procession.

The faithful are not permitted to take the consecrated bread or the sacred chalice by themselves and, still less, to hand them from one to another. The norm for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.

When receiving Holy Communion, the communicant bows his or her head before the Sacrament as a gesture of reverence and receives the Body of the Lord from the minister. The consecrated host may be received either on the tongue or in the hand, at the discretion of each communicant. When Holy Communion is received under both kinds, the sign of reverence is also made before receiving the Precious Blood."

So I’m still wondering is this a sign of defiance? Any other thoughts? Thanks
 
Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.
And what are the reasons for this norm? The GIRM doesn’t say much about it. Are we to subject the traditional kneeling before our physically-present Lord to the anthropocentric and symbolic communion procession? I have yet to find a good explanation of this, other than as a perceived Mass-shortening procedure.
 
As a clarification, standing is not the norm “in the whole world,” just according to particular law in the US; also, we’ve seen that norms allow for exceptions.

As regards only distributing at the rail, however, I don’t see why there should be any defiance involved so long as communicants were not refused because they were standing at the rail. The GIRM says communicants approach in procession, it does not say they may only receive the sacrament while standing as the first person in a processional line arriving at the intersection of sanctuary and nave. So they process up to the rail, spread out along it, and recieve; those who wish to stand may still do so. Once again, there is no necessary link between standing and standing at the front of a line.
 
As a clarification, standing is not the norm “in the whole world,” just according to particular law in the US; also, we’ve seen that norms allow for exceptions.

As regards only distributing at the rail, however, I don’t see why there should be any defiance involved so long as communicants were not refused because they were standing at the rail. The GIRM says communicants approach in procession, it does not say they may only receive the sacrament while standing as the first person in a processional line arriving at the intersection of sanctuary and nave. So they process up to the rail, spread out along it, and recieve; those who wish to stand may still do so. Once again, there is no necessary link between standing and standing at the front of a line.
I see your point here but I do want to point out that I am in the U.S. and I prefer to be obediant to the U.S. norms, not because I think it’s the best way but because, well I’m just trying to be obediat. Now you said the GIRM says communicants approach in procession. Can you please give me a ref. because all I read was that the norm is to recieve standing.
 
I see your point here but I do want to point out that I am in the U.S. and I prefer to be obediant to the U.S. norms, not because I think it’s the best way but because, well I’m just trying to be obediat. Now you said the GIRM says communicants approach in procession. Can you please give me a ref. because all I read was that the norm is to recieve standing.
If this is a real issue for you, why not just ask the pastor of the parish where this is happening?

I know that St. Agnes parish in Minneapolis has the Bishop’s blessing on their practice of communion at the Altar Rail - I am acquainted with one of the associate pastors there. They do a very traditional NO there, complete with Gregorian chants, etc.
 
If this is a real issue for you, why not just ask the pastor of the parish where this is happening.
Actualy this is a real issue for me. I wouldn’t have come here with this if it wasn’t. I do nit pick things when I know I shouldn’t but this is something that until I get an answer it will distract me constantly.

I will talk to the pastor that would would be the best thing to do. Thanks.
 
Our bishop has directly stated that offering Communion at an altar rail (standing or kneeling as the individual chooses) is OK.

And again, what is that official catechesis as to why standing would be preferred? I’ve never seen it.
 
And again, what is that official catechesis as to why standing would be preferred? I’ve never seen it.
It does make more sense to kneel before our Lord while recieving him and I can’t see why the USCCB has made it a norm to recieve standing. But does this justifies deviating from this norm.
 
I will talk to the pastor that would would be the best thing to do. Thanks.
Yes, since although we can speculate all day long about the reasons for it, he is the only one who knows why he does this. 😉
 
It does make more sense to kneel before our Lord while recieving him and I can’t see why the USCCB has made it a norm to recieve standing. But does this justifies deviating from this norm.
“Before the bishops voted on the proposed adaptation of §160, a bishop questioned the meaning of the term “norm”. The chairman of the Bishops Committee on the Liturgy (Archbishop Oscar Lipscomb) said that “norm” is a descriptive term meaning the usual or standard practice, not a legal term. With this clarification, the bishops voted to accept the BCL’s wording of the adaptation.”

adoremus.org/0303Q&A.html
 
Just wondering if only offering the Eucharist at an alter rail and not offering a line and reception standing is ok. To me it seems like there might be some defiance here. I’m probably completly wrong but I just wanted to know if there is anything official I could referance. Oh, and this is a Novus Ordo Mass.Thanks for the help.
Reference: ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur67.htm

Most recent official guidelines regarding the sanctuary, while maintaining the distinction between sanctuary and the rest of the church, no longer mention the Communion rail.

For example, the recent guidelines for church buildings published by the U.S. bishops’ conference, “Built of Living Stones,” recommends the following regarding the sanctuary in No. 54:

“The sanctuary is the space where the altar and the ambo stand, and ‘where the priest, deacon and other ministers exercise their offices.’ The special character of the sanctuary is emphasized and enhanced by the distinctiveness of its design and furnishings, or by its elevation. The challenge to those responsible for its design is to convey the unique quality of the actions that take place in this area while at the same time expressing the organic relationship between those actions and the prayer and actions of the entire liturgical assembly. The sanctuary must be spacious enough to accommodate the full celebration of the various rituals of word and Eucharist with their accompanying movement, as well as those of the other sacraments celebrated there.”

The practice of approaching the sanctuary to receive Communion in a loose (not formally organized) procession was already a custom before the introduction of the reformed rite of Mass. But instead of the priest staying in one place, the faithful would line up and kneel at the Communion rail.

The official norms regarding the approach to and reception of Communion are contained in No. 160 of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, which, in a literal translation, reads:

“The priest then takes the paten or ciborium and goes to the communicants, who, as a rule, approach in a procession. The faithful are not permitted to take the consecrated bread or the sacred chalice by themselves and, still less, to hand them from one to another. The faithful receive Holy Communion either kneeling or standing, as established by the Episcopal Conference. When receiving Holy Communion standing, however, it is recommended that the communicant make a gesture of reverence before receiving the Sacrament, as established by the aforementioned norms.”
 
Just wondering if only offering the Eucharist at an alter rail and not offering a line and reception standing is ok. To me it seems like there might be some defiance here. I’m probably completly wrong but I just wanted to know if there is anything official I could referance. Oh, and this is a Novus Ordo Mass.Thanks for the help.
Sounds like the Grotto here in Detroit where they only use the rails. The only exception I have seen is when someone cannot kneel.
 
About once a month I attend Mass at Holy Rosary in Portland, OR. The 11:00am Sunday NO Mass is sung Gregorian Chant with communion rail and communion on the tongue(although there are a few that ask for the Host in the hand, very few), while kneeling.

The majority of the Mass is chanted latin, as are the responses. Hoping to get the entire Mass said in Latin.

Now if the TLM is freed up this may be feasible.
 
At some particular parishes around the country, kneeling for communion has become a prefferred practice. The bishop can, therefore, extend permission to them to do this regularly if it is so desired by the faithful who regularly attend.
 
Kneeling for Communion is the Universal Norm of the Church. In the US, the Vatican approved a Particular Norm of Standing.

BUT… A Particular Norm only supercedes a Universal Norm when it is specifically approved to do so.

The Vatican has said that it has not granted permission for the Universal Norm to be superceded.

So kneeling for Communion is permitted under the GIRM and cannot be forbidden by a priest or bishop.

As far as being an ‘act of defiance’, that would speak to the specific intent of the person(s) involved. I cannot read their hearts, so I cannot make a judgement here.

The only judgement that CAN be made is kneeling for Communion is perfectly licit.
 
A note about the document “Built of Living Stones”…

It is not a juridical document. It does not have the force of particular law.
 
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