No Consecration of the Bread - valid?

[steve_b]

What you quoted is not part of the Eucharistic Prayer …What you quoted is part of the Offertory. Look it up.

I know it’s the offertory. It’s part of the Eucharistic liturgy.
j:

It has zip to do with the question or Fr,'s response which properly dealt with the Words of Institution. You need to brush up on the Mass and its parts.

I attend daily mass, and you need a lesson in manners

 

[steve_b]

Steve,

The offertory has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Yet the Eucharistic liturgy is all connected.
usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/order-of-mass/liturgy-of-the-eucharist/
FrD:

The OP said specifically that the priest (apparently) omitted the Consecration of the bread.

*You keep posting about the offertory prayers. Again, these have nothing to do with the topic. *The offertory is not the Consecration—those are 2 distinct (though obviously connected) parts of the Mass.

I never said the offertory was the consecration.

I brought up the offertory as an example. The elements of bread and wine are identified and offered separately in the offertory, which as the prayer says, will become the body and blood of Christ. It also shows the intent of the priest to make that happen with both bread and wine.

Intent is an important recognition, would you agree?.

IMV, The question to be asked,

were the consecrated species, held up together, with the priest saying “behold the lamb of God, behold Him…” showing after the consecration, they BOTH, (bread and wine) are now (body and blood together) and ARE both what the priest says they are. Or was the body NOT held up, leaving a question and a red flag?

 

[FrDavid96]

Yet the Eucharistic liturgy is all connected.
usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/order-of-mass/liturgy-of-the-eucharist/

I never said the offertory was the consecration.

I brought up the offertory as an example. The elements of bread and wine are identified and offered separately in the offertory, which as the prayer says, will become the body and blood of Christ. It also shows the intent of the priest to make that happen with both bread and wine.

Intent is an important recognition, would you agree?.

IMV, The question to be asked,

were the consecrated species, held up together, with the priest saying “behold the lamb of God, behold Him…” showing after the consecration, they BOTH, (bread and wine) are now (body and blood together) and ARE both what the priest says they are. Or was the body NOT held up, leaving a question and a red flag?

If the Consecration of the bread did not occur then:

a. It is irrelevant what happened at the offertory. It won’t matter how many times you post about the offertory. It is completely and entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

b. The priest did not hold up a consecrated Host at the Lamb of God; instead he held up a piece of unconsecrated bread.

Perhaps you missed what the OP posted in the first place. The Consecration of the bread was omitted (at least apparently so).

The Consecration of the bread did not happen because the priest omitted it entirely.

Now, in what I typed above, that assumes that the priest did not notice his mistake and did not correct it. If he did correct it, then all is well.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

Intent is an important recognition, would you agree?.

No. Intent does not matter in the circumstance the poster queried.

IMV, The question to be asked,

were the consecrated species, held up together, with the priest saying “behold the lamb of God, behold Him…” showing after the consecration, they BOTH, (bread and wine) are now (body and blood together) and ARE both what the priest says they are. Or was the body NOT held up, leaving a question and a red flag?

This is utterly absurd and what you write is completely nonsensical.

As Father David has explained with the greatest patience, you are wholly and completely wrong.

 

[johnnykins]

I know it’s the offertory. It’s part of the Eucharistic liturgy.

I attend daily mass, and you need a lesson in manners

I may need a lesson in manners, but I repeat you need to brush up on the Mass. Your repeated posts indicate you have severe deficiencies in understanding the Mass, irrespective of how often you attend. This is not a simple synaptic glitch, an “ooops” moment, on your part. It is ignorance as repeatedly demonstrated. The cure for ignorance is to study the matter in question.

I understand you do not like being told you are wrong, and perhaps that is un-mannerly to do so. Mea culpa. But, you really do need to brush up - especially since you presume to post information for the teaching of others. Teaching wrong information does no one any favor. Leaving you in ignorance does you no favor.