No Creed During Mass?

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It might seem from my meager post count, and their contents, that I’m going out of my way to be critical of my new parish, but that honestly isn’t my intent.

Having said that, I’ve attended (as of today) 6 different masses there. After the first few, I realized that I couldn’t recall saying the Creed (either Nicene or Apostle’s) there. Last week and today I made sure to pay close attention, in case I was mistaken and had just done it on “auto-pilot” or something, but nope - it’s confirmed, this parish doesn’t recite any profession of faith at mass.

Is there any allowable liturgical reason for this? After Father’s homily we just stand and go straight to the intercessions - this does not seem right to me.
 
Sorry, I should have been more clear - yes, I was talking about the weekly Sunday masses (and one Saturday evening mass).
 
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Sorry, I should have been more clear - yes, I was talking about the weekly Sunday masses (and one Saturday evening mass).
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The Creed should be recited on Sundays and Solemnities. I seem to recall that under some circumstances it can be replaced by a communal renewal of baptismal vows or by the RCIA scrutinies – see here for more details. Other than that, you’re right, the Creed should be used.
 
I think I remember that the Creed, in certain instances, may be omitted for “pastoral reasons” (I really hate that phrase), though I do think it’s only if there are RCIA rites involved.
 
I’m a revert, and attend the Saturday Mass, we always have the Creed. The Saturday Mass is the same Mass that’s recited on Sunday.

Are you certain that you’re attending a Catholic Church in Communion with Rome?

Some Churches name themselves Catholic, but they do not accept Papal authority.

The American Catholic Church is an example.
 
We had the Rite of Acceptance at Mass today and the rite does not call for the creed because the new Catechumens have not received the Creed yet. They were dismissed following the intercessions. The same hold true for when we do the scrutinies during Lent.
 
From the 2002 General Introduction to the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :

“68. The Creed is to be sung or said by the priest together with the people on Sundays and Solemnities. It may be said also at particular celebrations of a more solemn character.”

The 2002 Roman Missal’s Order of Mass, n. 19, allows either the Nicene or Apostles Creed at any Mass. (Missale Romanum, Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 2002, ISBN: 8820972719, page 513).

The Creed is optional when there are the Scrutinies, (prayers for the elect who are to be baptised a few weeks later.) From the book Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults: “… then, if required, the profession of faith is said. But for pastoral reasons these general intercessions and the profession of faith may be omitted.” (RCIA, n. 143, 157, 164 edition for Australia and England, n. 156, 170, 177 in the editon for the USA.).

The usual time for the Scrutinies is the Third, Fourth and Fifth Sundays of Lent. But it can be done at other times during the year, except Solemnities. (USA RCIA, n. 146, Australia RCIA n. 133).

Similarly for the Rite of Acceptance in a Mass (n. 68 in the edition of the RCIA for the USA).

At the Easter Vigil there is a renewal of baptismal promises, instead of the Creed.

The Creed is not said if there is a baptism in the Mass. (Rite of Baptism for Children, n. 29, The Rites Volume One, Liturgical Press, 1990, ISBN: 0-8146-6015-0, page 374).

And if there is a confirmation at Mass, from the Rite of Confirmation (Rite of Confirmation, n. 31. The Rites Volume One, Liturgical Press, 1990, ISBN: 0-8146-6015-0, page 492).

Nor if there is an ordination of a deacon, priest or bishop in the Mass, from the rite of “Ordination of Deacons, Priests and Bishops” (The Rites Volume Two, Liturgical Press, 1991, ISBN: 0-8146-6037-1, pages 28, 39, 66).

Nor if there is a consecration to a life of virginity in the Mass: (The Rites Volume Two, Liturgical Press, 1991, ISBN: 0-8146-6037-1, page 161, 177).

Nor if there is a rite of religious profession in the Mass,
for a temporary profession by a man: (The Rites Volume Two, Liturgical Press, 1991, ISBN: 0-8146-6037-1, page 213).
the same for a perpetual profession by a man, n. 52(b), page 221.
same if a man renews his vows, n. 83(b), page 233.
same for a women, temporary profession, 25(b), page 252.
same for a women, perpetual profession, 57(b), page 258.
same for a women, renewal of vows, 90(b), page 272.

Nor if there is a blessing of an abbot (The Rites Volume Two, Liturgical Press, 1991, ISBN: 0-8146-6037-1, page 304.
Same for the blessing of an abbess, n. 10, page 314.
 
It is definitely a Roman Catholic parish. As I mentioned, I’ve been to 6 masses here, on 4 different Sundays and 1 Saturday, and I don’t believe the Creed was recited in any of them. If there were any special circumstances (catechumens, etc.), they weren’t announced or recognized in any way.

I believe I’ll email the pastor and inquire, just wanted to make sure it wasn’t somehow “optional” before I did. Thanks folks!
 
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