No creed or profession of faith

  • Thread starter Thread starter Sir_Knight
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
S

Sir_Knight

Guest
We normally go to mass on Sundays but for reasons which are not really germane to the topic, we went this evening instead of tomorrow because we won’t be able to go tomorrow.

The priest went directly from the homily to the prayer of the faith. No creed, no profession of faith. Is this normal for Saturday evening masses? Is there a special reason why this week it was obmitted and would/is it going to be obmitted tomorrow?
 
Was there a baptism at the Mass? Did the celebrant do the renewal of Baptismal promises? That’s the only instance that I can think of because under normal circustances, the Creed is not to be omitted on Sundays.
 
Was there a baptism at the Mass? Did the celebrant do the renewal of Baptismal promises? That’s the only instance that I can think of because under normal circustances, the Creed is not to be omitted on Sundays.
I have known the Creed to be forgotten, not deliberately omitted, by an elderly priest. Even our pastor, who is not elderly, has forgotten the final blessing a couple of times.
 
Was there a baptism at the Mass? Did the celebrant do the renewal of Baptismal promises? That’s the only instance that I can think of because under normal circustances, the Creed is not to be omitted on Sundays.
Nope no baptism or renewal of Baptismal promises.

As I said, we normally don’t go on Saturdays and I was just curious if this was the norm and/or if we would have gone tomorrow, it would have also been omitted.
 
Nope no baptism or renewal of Baptismal promises.

As I said, we normally don’t go on Saturdays and I was just curious if this was the norm and/or if we would have gone tomorrow, it would have also been omitted.
Blessing and dismissal of Catechumens? That’s what we had (although we said the creed as well.)

At daily mass, we don’t say the creed…
 
My pastor regularly leaves out the Creed. Sadly, it’s not that he forgets. He told me that when other things need to take place (dismissal of the catechumens, inducting new lectors or cantors (he does this after his homilies), etc.) that those actions are enough of a profession of faith for us.
 
From the 2002 General Introduction to the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :

“68. The Creed is to be sung or said by the priest together with the people on Sundays and Solemnities. It may be said also at particular celebrations of a more solemn character.”

The 2002 Roman Missal’s Order of Mass, n. 19, allows either the Nicene or Apostles Creed at any Mass. (Missale Romanum, Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 2002, ISBN: 8820972719, page 513).

The Creed is optional when there are the Scrutinies, (prayers for the elect who are to be baptised a few weeks later.) From the book Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults: “… then, if required, the profession of faith is said. But for pastoral reasons these general intercessions and the profession of faith may be omitted.” (RCIA, n. 143, 157, 164 edition for Australia and England, n. 156, 170, 177 in the editon for the USA.).

[Edited by Moderator]
 
Weekday masses that I attend do not normally have the creed unless it is a vigil mass on Saturday or for a holy day of obligation.
 
In addition to post #8:

The usual time for the Scrutinies is the Third, Fourth and Fifth Sundays of Lent. But it can be done at other times during the year, except Solemnities. (USA RCIA, n. 146, Australia RCIA n. 133).

At the Easter Vigil there is a renewal of baptismal promises, instead of the Creed.

The Creed is not said if there is a baptism in the Mass. (Rite of Baptism for Children, n. 29, The Rites Volume One, Liturgical Press, 1990, ISBN: 0-8146-6015-0, page 374).

And if there is a confirmation at Mass, from the Rite of Confirmation (Rite of Confirmation, n. 31. The Rites Volume One, Liturgical Press, 1990, ISBN: 0-8146-6015-0, page 492).

Nor if there is an ordination of a deacon, priest or bishop in the Mass, from the rite of “Ordination of Deacons, Priests and Bishops” (The Rites Volume Two, Liturgical Press, 1991, ISBN: 0-8146-6037-1, pages 28, 39, 66).

Nor if there is a consecration to a life of virginity in the Mass. (The Rites Volume Two, Liturgical Press, 1991, ISBN: 0-8146-6037-1, page 161, 177).

Nor if there is a rite of religious profession in the Mass,
for a temporary profession by a man: (The Rites Volume Two, Liturgical Press, 1991, ISBN: 0-8146-6037-1, page 213).
the same for a perpetual profession by a man, n. 52(b), page 221.
same if a man renews his vows, n. 83(b), page 233.
same for a women, temporary profession, 25(b), page 252.
same for a women, perpetual profession, 57(b), page 258.
same for a women, renewal of vows, 90(b), page 272.

Nor if there is a blessing of an abbot (The Rites Volume Two, Liturgical Press, 1991, ISBN: 0-8146-6037-1, page 304.
Same for the blessing of an abbess, n. 10, page 314.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top