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amgid
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This only reveals a multitude of ignorance on your part. The D&C does not say that polygamy is necessary to attain the celestial kingdom. Read it again, you might understand it better this time.
You mean “pure and delightsome”. I am sure they have!
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mormon fool:
Mike_D30:
Ohhhh plese I read I Nephi, no WAY it is a metaphor for spiritual purity. I wouldn’t even try to argue that anyone whe read I Nephi could never think that, not to mention everything else proving the Mormons meant a literal skin color curse.
Isn’t that why they banned Blacks from the priesthood until the 70’s?
“Cain slew his brother…and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the FLAT NOSE AND BLACK SKIN…”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, pages 290-291)
“The descendants of Ham, besides A BLACK SKIN which has ever been a curse that has followed an apostate of the holy priesthood, as well as a BLACK HEART, have been servants to both Shem and Japheth, and the ABOLITIONISTS ARE TRYING TO MAKE VOID THE CURSE OF GOD, BUT IT WILL REQUIRE MORE POWER THAN MAN POSSESSES TO COUNTERACT THE DECREES OF ETERNAL WISDOM.”
(Times and Seasons, Vol. 6, page 857)
“Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the AFRICAN RACE? If the WHITE man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the PENALTY, under the LAW OF GOD, IS DEATH ON THE SPOT. THIS WILL ALWAYS BE SO.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 10, page 110)
-Brigham Young
Now I will ge the actual passages from the Book of Mormon and ANYONE who reads it in context will be certain it has zero to do with spiritual and everything to do with skin color.
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Mike_D30
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Is this what Birgham Young had in mind when he said this:
““Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the AFRICAN RACE? If the WHITE man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the PENALTY, under the LAW OF GOD, IS DEATH ON THE SPOT. THIS WILL ALWAYS BE SO.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 10, page 110)”
Did he mean ‘pure’ and delightsome?
Stop hiding the Curse of Cain ideas your Church practiced for 150 years. Too many people know to believe your cover up and nonsense.
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Joseph’s enrollment in methodist class doesn’t establish his intentions anymore than my attendance of RCIA establishes mine. He was probably going to support his wife as well as an attempt to get along with his in-laws. Through this period he was dilligently working at translating the Book of Mormon, hardly an indication that he was risk losing God’s aid by being disobedient in some way. His family was told very little about his First Vision until later. His initial report to his mother merely indicated that he knew for himself Presbyterianism wasn’t correct. .
*The Amboy journal May 21, 1879, shows “Smith did not seek to become a full member.”
Was Joseph having doubts? It’s doubtful
The Lewises do not buy that he was sincerely investigating:It was the general opinion that his only object in joining the church was to bolster up his reputation, and gain the sympathy and help of christians; that is, putting on the cloak of religion to serve the devil in.–Wed., April 30, 1879
Of course during this time, Joseph was being a good missionary. During this period uncle Nathaniel Lewis offered to convert if Joseph would show him the plates. Emma’s brother Reuben helped translate. Eventually Isaac Hale was told “falsehoods concerning me of the most shameful nature, which turned the old gentleman and his family so much against us, that they would no longer promise us protection nor believe our doctrines.” *(The Susquehanna Register, *[Montrose] May 1, 1834)
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Mike_D30
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mormon fool:
I don’t know about you, but if the creator of the universe, almighty GOD Himself, tells me not to join any Churches, because they are all OF THE DEVIL. I am not getting within 200 feet of another Church.
But I’ll let the good readers here decide.
So he was ordered by GOD, by GOD now not his father, or mother. I mean the creator of the Universe told him to not join any Churches, becasue they are all of the devil. So he starts going to Methodist classes and services???
I don’t know about you, but if the creator of the universe, almighty GOD Himself, tells me not to join any Churches, because they are all OF THE DEVIL. I am not getting within 200 feet of another Church.
But I’ll let the good readers here decide.
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mormon_fool
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See the article I wrote for FAIR and its accompanying links:
fairwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Blacks_and_the_priesthood
Actually the priesthood ban has never been based on the Book of Mormon.
In context BY was talking about raping a black women. This was back when all the states had laws against miscegenation. Furthermore this rhetoric was never put into practice.
Good luck finding an anti-site that will help you in your racebaiting.
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mormon_fool
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Thank you. We have.
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Mike_D30
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mormon fool:
2 Nephi:
"Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will anot• hearken unto thy words they shall be bcut• off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were ccut• off from his presence.
21 And he had caused the acursing• to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and bdelightsome•, that they might not be centicing unto my people the Lord God did cause a dskin• of eblackness• to come upon them.
22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be aloathsome• unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.
23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that amixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
24 And because of their acursing which was upon them they did become an bidle• people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey."
*NOTE where it says “Pure and delightsome” use to read “white and delightsome” it was changed…
This is from the Book of Mormon…
Tell me did I get this from an ANTI site?
Racebaiting I’m simply posting facts about your Church my friend. Get mad I know I do when I’m told that the Catholic Church is the Church of the devil, the Whore of Babylon, the great abominal whore etc… And we are all apostates destined for hell. But it doesn’t make anything I posted “race-baiting” or unfactual. Here’s the passage from Nephi. I’ll let the readers decide:
2 Nephi:
"Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will anot• hearken unto thy words they shall be bcut• off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were ccut• off from his presence.
21 And he had caused the acursing• to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and bdelightsome•, that they might not be centicing unto my people the Lord God did cause a dskin• of eblackness• to come upon them.
22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be aloathsome• unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.
23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that amixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
24 And because of their acursing which was upon them they did become an bidle• people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey."
*NOTE where it says “Pure and delightsome” use to read “white and delightsome” it was changed…
This is from the Book of Mormon…
Tell me did I get this from an ANTI site?
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Mike_D30
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mormon fool:
But again your patronizing speaks volumes for the type of person you are.
I said readers not writers’
But again your patronizing speaks volumes for the type of person you are.
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amgid
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I am not here to debate what Brigham Young said. I am here to debate what the scriptures say. This is what the Bible says about purity and whiteness:
Daniel 12:
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Got the idea now?
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Mike_D30
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And here is what your book of mormon says:I am not here to debate what Brigham Young said. I am here to debate what the scriptures say. This is what the Bible says about purity and whiteness:
Daniel 12:
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Got the idea now?
amgid
"2 Nephi:
"Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will anot• hearken unto thy words they shall be bcut• off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were ccut• off from his presence.
21 And he had caused the acursing• to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and bdelightsome•, that they might not be centicing unto my people the Lord God did cause a dskin• of eblackness• to come upon them.
22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be aloathsome• unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.
23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that amixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
24 And because of their acursing which was upon them they did become an bidle• people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey."
Whether you want to talk about it or not, it is prevalent, you are trying to spin it by saying pure and delightsome, when given the mounds of info I provided is laughable…
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The simplest demonstration that Joseph Smith was a false prophet is the Book of Abraham. He “translated” it before anyone could read Egyptian heiroglyphics.
Once heiroglyphics could be read by means other than Divine intervention, Joseph’s translation was utterly refuted. Turns out it was an Egyptian funerary text. The manuscript was conveniently lost, but Joe made the crucial error of including facsimilies of some of it in the published “translation.”
An entire book of LDS scripture (found in the Pearl of Great Price) has been objectively demonstrated to be a wholesale fabrication.
Woops, I guess he wasn’t guided by God after all.
Once heiroglyphics could be read by means other than Divine intervention, Joseph’s translation was utterly refuted. Turns out it was an Egyptian funerary text. The manuscript was conveniently lost, but Joe made the crucial error of including facsimilies of some of it in the published “translation.”
An entire book of LDS scripture (found in the Pearl of Great Price) has been objectively demonstrated to be a wholesale fabrication.
Woops, I guess he wasn’t guided by God after all.
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mormon_fool
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That is what all race baiters say:
from wikipedia
Thus the use of any language or actions for the purpose of exploiting actual or perceived weaknesses in persons who can be identified as members of certain groups in order to do them some sort of harm can be contained within the concept of “race baiting.”
Too bad you have to stoop to playing the race card and jump from topic to topic because you easily shown not to be very well informed.
I am not mad. I am amused by your antics.
Anybody who needs to recycle censored and apologized-for rhetoric to justify bad behaviour is really grasping at straws.
And manufacture things that haven’t been said, at least not from Mormons.
***Snip Purely metaphoric reference to blackness. ***
. . .by its translator, obviously to convey its meaning better.
I would be seriously impressed if you didn’t have to look this reference up on an anti- site. Even though you pasted it from the LDS site.
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Mike_D30
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mormon fool:
I have nothing more to say to someone who has no better argument than to personally attack me, for giving legitimate counter arguments to your smoke screens:
"2 Nephi:
"Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will anot• hearken unto thy words they shall be bcut• off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were ccut• off from his presence.
21 And he had caused the acursing• to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and bdelightsome•, that they might not be centicing unto my people the Lord God did cause a dskin• of eblackness• to come upon them.
22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be aloathsome• unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.
23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that amixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
24 And because of their acursing which was upon them they did become an bidle• people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey."
I’ll keep posting it until you admit that it obviously meant skin color, and isn’t metaphorical:
For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome•, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin• of blackness• to come upon them.
COME ON NOW!
So instead of defending 2 Nephi as your “metaphor” idea. You attack me personally. Great job in proving me correct.
I have nothing more to say to someone who has no better argument than to personally attack me, for giving legitimate counter arguments to your smoke screens:
"2 Nephi:
"Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will anot• hearken unto thy words they shall be bcut• off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were ccut• off from his presence.
21 And he had caused the acursing• to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and bdelightsome•, that they might not be centicing unto my people the Lord God did cause a dskin• of eblackness• to come upon them.
22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be aloathsome• unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.
23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that amixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
24 And because of their acursing which was upon them they did become an bidle• people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey."
I’ll keep posting it until you admit that it obviously meant skin color, and isn’t metaphorical:
For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome•, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin• of blackness• to come upon them.
COME ON NOW!
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amgid
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OK, I have to go right now, I will reply to you later. But I think I know who you are now. I recognize your style of debate. If you are that keen to debate with me, you have my email. Send me an invite and I will come and debate with you.
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Mike_D30
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I didn’t even get to the “book of breathings” yet, but thanks 100% true. A entire piece of scripture Mormons use has been shown to be completely false.
Not to mention the kinderhook plates…
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mormon_fool
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Champollian deciphered the Rosseta stone in 1822, way before 1836.
Since the manuscript is lost, we don’t know it was a funerary text now do we?
Well if one considers 5 chapters to be “an entire book”. The Book of Abraham has been objectively demonstrated to recover previously lost but recently re-discovered ancient traditions about Abraham.
Oops, I guess he was guided by God after all.
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Mike_D30
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I am not a sock puppet. I don’t have your email address. I just joined this site for the first time ever a few days ago, and I wasn’t even expecting any Mormon debate. I thought I left that a while ago…
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