No Crosses on Mormon Temples...

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Mike_D30:
That has already been answered adequately by others in this thread. Nothing further need be said
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amgid:
I agree. Your horse!

amgid
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I have no idea what that means. I guess it’s some attack, so congratulations…

Calling Mormons “non Christians” is simply a reality not a “shock tactic”. When you follow essentially no precepts of Christianity and warp every sacredly held ideal of Christians worldwide into a gnostic form of polytheism. Don’t get offended when Christians respond by defending their faith, and calling you what you are.

If you’re happy as a Mormon more power to ya, but you aren’t going to come in here parading your warped views and half truths to people who may not be well read on Mormonism, with me on the watch… 😉

It may have beaten a dead horse but no doubt 100’s of lurkers have read this and had there eyes opened, even a little to just how out there Mormon theology is.

I have nothing against Mormons or even against Mormonism. I do have soemthing against proseletizing Mormons who come on Catholic sites and essentially try to give Catholic’s the “milk before the meat”. I just put the meat out there too, and you don’t like it at all…
 
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Mike_D30:
If you’re happy as a Mormon more power to ya, but you aren’t going to come in here parading your warped views and half truths to people who may not be well read on Mormonism, with me on the watch… 😉
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Mike,
No offense but I haven’t seen that many Mormon’s around here “parading warped views and half truths” as you so eloquently put it. What I do see is a few LDS members attempting to defend their religion against mischaracterizations, half truths, and outright lies from people like you who claim to know much more about our faith than you actually do.

The goal here in this “Non-Catholic Religions” forum is for Catholics and others to respectfully discuss religion. Most here are respectful and we’ve had many interesting discussions about a variety of topics. However, not everyone exhibits the same courtesy and respect. When you tell someone their religion is a “cult” or tell someone who claims to be a “Christian” that they are NOT a Christian simply because you have chosen a definition that excludes them, you don’t add anything to the discussion or contribute in any way.

Is your goal here to discuss religion? OK, then let’s discuss it in a respectful way. Is your goal to save those poor misguided mormons? You certainly won’t convert many by telling them they’re not Christian. LDS have learned through a pretty successful proselytizing program that you attract more bees with honey. Try building on common beliefs and intelligent discussion rather than attacking.

In summary… be nice.
 
yet we are constantly told that Catholics are apostates from true christinaity by the LDS here. WE are bombarded by half truths, lies etc. by LDS who twist their open canon and lack of a catechism to mislead people about waht that religion actually teaches and practices. This is a Catholic forum and is not a missionary tool for LDS. Now back to the OP… Mormons don’t display crosses. Their Temples are considered to be their holiest places, a place where the “veil” is at ti’s thinnest and people can communicate with God and receive presonal revelation and deep spiritual understanding. These buildings have a statue of Moroni on them siginifying what they consider to be the “restoration” of the true Gospel. They also (in some but not all cases) have other symbols, less prominently displayed that most non-LDS would consider “occult”. These include sunstones, moonstones, stars and such. Inside Temples one wold also find masonic symbols such as the square and compass in places of prominence. I find these things to be due to Jospeh Smith Jr.'s early days of heavy folk magic influence and his later experiences with freemasonry combined. He promoted a system of gaining “secret” knowledge to aid one in becoming a God.
 
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Casen:
Mike,
No offense but I haven’t seen that many Mormon’s around here “parading warped views and half truths” as you so eloquently put it. What I do see is a few LDS members attempting to defend their religion against mischaracterizations, half truths, and outright lies from people like you who claim to know much more about our faith than you actually do.

The goal here in this “Non-Catholic Religions” forum is for Catholics and others to respectfully discuss religion. Most here are respectful and we’ve had many interesting discussions about a variety of topics. However, not everyone exhibits the same courtesy and respect. When you tell someone their religion is a “cult” or tell someone who claims to be a “Christian” that they are NOT a Christian simply because you have chosen a definition that excludes them, you don’t add anything to the discussion or contribute in any way.

Is your goal here to discuss religion? OK, then let’s discuss it in a respectful way. Is your goal to save those poor misguided mormons? You certainly won’t convert many by telling them they’re not Christian. LDS have learned through a pretty successful proselytizing program that you attract more bees with honey. Try building on common beliefs and intelligent discussion rather than attacking.

In summary… be nice.
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I’ll take the challenge.

Can you post one lie that I posted.

I can post several LDS posters’ have posted.

Points noted, I respectfully disagree.

This same amgid you defend in another thread that was closed (by my complaint) was more than willing to post sites linking the Catholic Church to the persecution of Jews during WWII.

It’s a mortal sin to not defend the faith vehemently against heresy…
 
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Casen:
When you tell someone their religion is a “cult” or tell someone who claims to be a “Christian” that they are NOT a Christian simply because you have chosen a definition that excludes them, you don’t add anything to the discussion or contribute in any way.
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Sorry but I didn’t come up with a definition that excludes Mormons from being Christians. Our early Church fathers and the Gospels did that. Are you familiar with the Nicene creed Cassen? Sorry but again I completly disagree with your assessment. Do you consider Hindus Christians? Or anyone who wants to adopt the label Crhistan as a means of converting others? I’m sorry but if you think I came up with the definitiont hat excludes Mormons as Christians, you are very mistaken and need to go back and study a whole lot more, before judging me with nonsensical statements like this.
 
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Mike_D30:
I’ll take the challenge.
Can you post one lie that I posted.
I can post several LDS posters’ have posted.
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So you are starting the same old accusations and counter-accusations again are you. When do you think you are going to grow up?
This same amgid you defend in another thread that was closed (by my complaint) . . .
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Is that so? That is news to me. The thread you are referring to is the one called “Genetic evidence contradicts Mormon Scripture”. Perhaps the board admin owe all of us an explanation as to who complained about what, whose complaint was upheld and why, and for what reason the thread was closed.
. . . was more than willing to post sites linking the Catholic Church to the persecution of Jews during WWII.
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That was not the object of the exercise. Brad and others had denied that the Catholic Church had committed any wrongs towards others in the past. I knew that they had already apologized for it, so I did a search on Goggle, and posted the three most relevant sites that I found. The aim was to demonstrate that the RCC had already apologized to Jews and others for wrongs committed against them in the past, not what kinds of wrongs she had been associated with. When will you desist from misrepresenting the posts and intentions of others?

amgid
 
amgid,

I’m interested in the mormon teaching on the Planet Kolob. On Kolob where Jesus is supposed to be, are there crosses? Do the people on Kolob know about Jesus being crucified, or did Jesus not tell them?

What do the mormon authorities have to say about the subject of crosses/no-crosses and Jesus’s message on Kolob?

Thanks, and if you have time, I’d also like to know if there are any theories on the location of Kolob and any telescopes currently searching for it.
 
Talk about misrepresentation, The “apologies” referred to are a combination of the FRENCH Catholic church apologizing for it’s silence/failure to do more (sins of omission) regarding the holocaust and JPII’s apologizing for what was done by INDIVIDUALS in the RCC rather than the church itself. BIG Difference! This is contrast to alleged divinely revealed doctrine of the LDS church that oppressed people and still has not been apologized for. Back to the topic…
Michael Quinns book “early mormonism and the magic world view” does a good job of showing (from the perspectiv eof the offcial LDS church historian) the impact of the folk magic “culture” that was so much a part of upstate NY during the early years of Joseph Smith Jr. Especially it’s prominence in the Smith Family. This can be seen in the “seer stone” that was used by him to receive “revelations” and in many of the LDS Temples. Their symbols in the Temple are, I think, even more telling than the exterior. In the ordinance rooms you won’t find any until you get to the very end of the ceremony (the most important part) where you see the square and the compass on the veil before you are brought through it into the symbolic presence of God in the Celestial room. In bigger Temples you get beautifullu decoreated rooms with scenes of the garden of Eden and the “dreary” world they are cast into. You don’t get much in the way of Chrsit though. in common areas in the Temple where ordinances are not performed you will sometimes see a picture of Christ but not anywhere important. No crosses, No Jesus, just masonic symbols and the OT cattle under the baptismal font. The signs, tokens and keywords in the ordinance itself also leave out Jesus. He isn’t a part of one’s “going through the veil” and into the preence of God either. Mormons seem more focused on themselves and their own “eternal progression” than in Christ and gratitude for him. Where is the worship and praise? That’s for Jospeh Smith Jr. (praise the the man is a commonly song hymn honoring him in LDS churches)
 
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amgid:
Brad and others had denied that the Catholic Church had committed any wrongs towards others in the past.
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Not at all. I denied that Pope Pius XII committed crimes against Jews.
 
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amgid:
When will you desist from misrepresenting the posts and intentions of others?

amgid
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When do you stop personally attacking me with lies? Clearly your aim was to embarass the Catholic Church, and you did so in a condescending mannner. Nothing you posted had ANYTHING to do with the topic at hand. All of which is against posting rules. I reported your post and the thread was closed an hour later…

Just like I showed that you lied about the Book of Mormon only have grammatical changes (which isn’t true, there’s significant changes to content too). I showed you to again attack me without provocation.

Like I said I simply give everyone the “meat with the milk”, rather than the “milk before the meat” like you would prefer.

I ask you did I ever post about the Mountain Meadows Massacre? NO! I didn’t, it has no bearing on the conversation. What you and Dnn did in that thread was simply try to place blame on the Catholic Church for the holocaust, simply to demean and embarass the Church to try to make a baseless point.

Again stop attacking me, either show where I lied and attacked Mormonism with ANYTHING besides your own scriptures, and quotes from past prophets. That’s why you’re so angry at me, and no other reason.
 
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majick275:
Talk about misrepresentation, The “apologies” referred to are a combination of the FRENCH Catholic church apologizing for it’s silence/failure to do more (sins of omission) regarding the holocaust and JPII’s apologizing for what was done by INDIVIDUALS in the RCC rather than the church itself. BIG Difference!
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Among the sins JPII apologized for was the crimes committed by the crusaders against the Moslems—and quite rightly too. The crusaders were a bunch of murderers and war criminals who committed terrible crimes against innocent civilians and non-combatants in the name of God. They used to pick up little Moslem kids by their heels, and dash them against the wall and kill them. Those of them that were more dexterous would try to see if they could fling them over the walls of the city (which were very high). They massacred wholesale women and children. The Moslems never committed such crimes in their was of conquest. And who recruited, financed, organized, and encouraged the crusades? The (infallible) Popes did!—with the support of his cardinals and the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, and the rest of the Catholic faithful. So those crimes were committed by whom, by individuals, or by the church?

The rest of your post is just “rabid venom,” as another poster had described, and a sign of desperation, and does not merit a response from me. Perhaps Mom of 5 will be impressed by what you have written! She is welcome to it.

amgid
 
Brad Haas:
Not at all. I denied that Pope Pius XII committed crimes against Jews.
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If that is that is the case, then you were giving the wrong answer to the wrong post. You were replying to Don who had made a general observation that the Catholic Church had also done wrong things in the past, therefore it is hypocritical to condemn the LDS Church for having made similar mistakes. If you were specifically referring to Pope Pius XII only, then you were giving the wrong answer to the wrong post.

amgid
 
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amgid:
Among the sins JPII apologized for was the crimes committed by the crusaders against the Moslems—and quite rightly too. The crusaders were a bunch of murderers and war criminals who committed terrible crimes against innocent civilians and non-combatants in the name of God. They used to pick up little Moslem kids by their heels, and dash them against the wall and kill them. Those of them that were more dexterous would try to see if they could fling them over the walls of the city (which were very high). They massacred wholesale women and children. The Moslems never committed such crimes in their was of conquest. And who recruited, financed, organized, and encouraged the crusades? The (infallible) Popes did!—with the support of his cardinals and the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, and the rest of the Catholic faithful. So those crimes were committed by whom, by individuals, or by the church?

The rest of your post is just “rabid venom,” as another poster had described, and a sign of desperation, and does not merit a response from me. Perhaps Mom of 5 will be impressed by what you have written! She is welcome to it.

amgid
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I am pleased we have uncovered you as the anti-Catholic that you are…

Learn your history, look into what spawned the crusades…
 
Mike_D30 said:
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When do you stop personally attacking me with lies? Clearly your aim was to embarass the Catholic Church, and you did so in a condescending mannner. Nothing you posted had ANYTHING to do with the topic at hand. All of which is against posting rules. I reported your post and the thread was closed an hour later…

Just like I showed that you lied about the Book of Mormon only have grammatical changes (which isn’t true, there’s significant changes to content too). I showed you to again attack me without provocation.

Like I said I simply give everyone the “meat with the milk”, rather than the “milk before the meat” like you would prefer.

I ask you did I ever post about the Mountain Meadows Massacre? NO! I didn’t, it has no bearing on the conversation. What you and Dnn did in that thread was simply try to place blame on the Catholic Church for the holocaust, simply to demean and embarass the Church to try to make a baseless point.

Again stop attacking me, either show where I lied and attacked Mormonism with ANYTHING besides your own scriptures, and quotes from past prophets. That’s why you’re so angry at me, and no other reason.
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You are only pulling the rug from under your own feet with this kind of nonsensical post, and I am quite willing to let you do it.

amgid
 
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amgid:
If that is that is the case, then you were giving the wrong answer to the wrong post. You were replying to Don who had made a general observation that the Catholic Church had also done wrong things in the past, therefore it is hypocritical to condemn the LDS Church for having made similar mistakes. If you were specifically referring to Pope Pius XII only, then you were giving the wrong answer to the wrong post.

amgid
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WRONG, the priesthood ban of blacks WAS IN YOUR SCRIPTURE, as was BLOOD ATTONEMENT, and Polygamy There is nothing in Catholic scripture promoting violence, or such heretical doctrines.

The Pope is only infallible in matters of TEACHING of faith and morals. So please you sound foolish, and just like a rabid anti-Catholic now.

FINNALLY I exposed you for what you really are. Not some “good Mormon” looking to dialougue. But a rabid anti-Catholic, who believes just what your piece of fiction states in Nephi I, that Catholics are of the Devil, and Catholicism is the Church of Satan.

You are exposed amgid…

And I was happy to do it 👍
 
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amgid:
Among the sins JPII apologized for was the crimes committed by the crusaders against the Moslems—and quite rightly too. The crusaders were a bunch of murderers and war criminals who committed terrible crimes against innocent civilians and non-combatants in the name of God. They used to pick up little Moslem kids by their heels, and dash them against the wall and kill them. Those of them that were more dexterous would try to see if they could fling them over the walls of the city (which were very high). They massacred wholesale women and children. The Moslems never committed such crimes in their was of conquest. And who recruited, financed, organized, and encouraged the crusades? The (infallible) Popes did!—with the support of his cardinals and the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, and the rest of the Catholic faithful. So those crimes were committed by whom, by individuals, or by the church?

The rest of your post is just “rabid venom,” as another poster had described, and a sign of desperation, and does not merit a response from me. Perhaps Mom of 5 will be impressed by what you have written! She is welcome to it.

amgid
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Wow, quite the Islamofascist sympathizer. Do you support Al-Queda too? “Moslems never committed such crimes their war of conquest”? please… theirs was a “holy war” not just simple conquest and any student of history can easily debunk that lie. Ever heard of mamlukes? Dhimitude? Janisaries? No? Quit getting your info about the crusades from Al-Jazeera. You have shown yourself to be as vehemently anti-catholic as possible. So why are you here? GO back to your FARMS and FAIR boards and peddle your folk magic there. No one here is interested in anything that was “revealed” by a peepstone. Your ridiculous rant was completely off topic anyway. Care to adrdress the OP and explain the occult symbols on/in LDS Temples?
 
Psalm 137:

*7 Remember, O LORD, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”

8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-

9 he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.*

Some misguided individuals may have misunderstood this and acted inappropriately. I know that some crusaders were evil opportunists. That doesn’t make the crusades themselves wrong nor does it indict the Catholic Church. Notice we haven’t gotten into the LDS Danites or Mountain Meadows here. Those were individual crimes NOT Church Doctrine.

Symbols on Temples…Now that’s a significant indicator of what a CHURCH teaches/believes.
 
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