No Eastern Exodus?

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A lot of Catholics today complain about married men not being allowed to be ordained. But if the vow of celibacy is such an issue with them, then why isn’t there a mass migration to the Eastern Rites? Their churches allow married men to become priests AND are still in full communion with Rome.
 
Because you can’t just switch churches just to get ordained. That will be seen through very quickly.
 
Not only what WetCatechumen said, but outside of their Mother Countries or traditional jurisdictions it can be controversial or even wrong for Eastern Catholics to ordain married men. Rome doesn’t allow it for everyone.
 
You would think so! If God calls a man to be a priest, He will give the man the grace to live as a priest. The bad smell of priestly ordination is fundamentally a distrust in God.
 
Either all Priests should be permitted to marry (prior to ordination obviously) or NO priests should be permitted to marry. Yes I know the difference, I’m referring to men who marry and seek the Priesthood after. Not men already ordained as Priests who seek to marry (big difference there). But if we allow protestant ministers who were preaching heresy prior to their conversion, and leading people away from Christ and His Truth, if “they” can be married and walk in and get ordained as Catholic Priests, why on earth do we deny our own Roman Catholic laity? God can and does call men to serve both as Priests and as fathers/husbands. But that’s only possible if you first surround yourself with heresy and get married THEN try to join the Catholic Church. I don’t get it. I don’t agree with it. I love my beloved Church and will stand by Her. I just hate seeing protestants get preferential treatment in order to woo their ministers into bringing in whole congregations. Protestants should not be joining our Church because they seek to be Priests. They should be coming here because Christ is here and only here and does not give any authority to man made protestant religions.
 
Honestly, I think many people are ignorant of the Eastern Church and don’t know it exists or what is different in terms of discipline.
 
Either all Priests should be permitted to marry (prior to ordination obviously) or NO priests should be permitted to marry. Yes I know the difference, I’m referring to men who marry and seek the Priesthood after. Not men already ordained as Priests who seek to marry (big difference there). But if we allow protestant ministers who were preaching heresy prior to their conversion, and leading people away from Christ and His Truth, if “they” can be married and walk in and get ordained as Catholic Priests, why on earth do we deny our own Roman Catholic laity? God can and does call men to serve both as Priests and as fathers/husbands. But that’s only possible if you first surround yourself with heresy and get married THEN try to join the Catholic Church. I don’t get it. I don’t agree with it. I love my beloved Church and will stand by Her. I just hate seeing protestants get preferential treatment in order to woo their ministers into bringing in whole congregations. Protestants should not be joining our Church because they seek to be Priests. They should be coming here because Christ is here and only here and does not give any authority to man made protestant religions.
Because the Church doesn’t look as far down on Protestants as you do, because this is an exception that doesn’t do away with the general rule, because the Western Church currently thinks that celibacy is a good thing that should be the norm among the priesthood, and because celibacy is seen as a gift as well as a burden.

Exceptions are made to rule in such a way as to not undermine the general rule. If the rule of celibacy was abolished, then we’d lose the gifts and benefits it provides, but by simply making some exceptions, the Church preserves the general rule and its benefits while allowing former protestant ministers to serve in a more complete but similar role to what they had before conversion.
 
A lot of Catholics today complain about married men not being allowed to be ordained. But if the vow of celibacy is such an issue with them, then why isn’t there a mass migration to the Eastern Rites? Their churches allow married men to become priests AND are still in full communion with Rome.
Just because somebody disagrees with clerical celibacy does not mean that they would find a spiritual home in Eastern Catholicism. The liturgy is different, the spirituality is different and the theology is different. Many in the Roman church who support the ordination of married men to the priesthood would also support allowing priest to marry after ordination, women priests, liberal theology and the general relaxing of the moral teachings of the church. They also often prefer a more contemporary liturgy with heavy involvement from the laity. They would generally not feel particularly comfortable in an Eastern church. While I understand that these things are not in the same category, many of those who support a married priesthood do not.

Yes, I know I’m generalizing. Yes, I know there are many faithful, orthodox Roman Catholics out there who fully support the teachings of the church, but would like to see a change in the discipline of celibacy, or could at least support it. By and large, they are not clamoring for change, either.
 
Either all Priests should be permitted to marry (prior to ordination obviously) or NO priests should be permitted to marry. Yes I know the difference, I’m referring to men who marry and seek the Priesthood after. Not men already ordained as Priests who seek to marry (big difference there). But if we allow protestant ministers who were preaching heresy prior to their conversion, and leading people away from Christ and His Truth, if “they” can be married and walk in and get ordained as Catholic Priests, why on earth do we deny our own Roman Catholic laity? God can and does call men to serve both as Priests and as fathers/husbands. But that’s only possible if you first surround yourself with heresy and get married THEN try to join the Catholic Church. I don’t get it. I don’t agree with it. I love my beloved Church and will stand by Her. I just hate seeing protestants get preferential treatment in order to woo their ministers into bringing in whole congregations. Protestants should not be joining our Church because they seek to be Priests. They should be coming here because Christ is here and only here and does not give any authority to man made protestant religions.
Heresy is only possible for baptized Catholics. Please stop using the word heresy incorrectly. The Chatholic Church does not view Protestants as heretics, nor is what they teach heresy. The only way to be a heretic or to teach heresy is if you are Catholic first.

When a Protestant minister, or any other Protestant becomes Catholic, what they did prior is water under the bridge. I love my beloved Church too, and when someone becomes a member of our beloved Church, they are incorporated into and become a member of the same Body of Christ as you and I. If that’s good enough for God, and good enough for the Church, then it is good enough for me. We are supposed to be ready to die for each other.

Most Protestant Ministers who become Catholic don’t become priests. Scott Hahn is one such Protestant minister, a prodigy, who did not become a priest. Most Protestants - ministers or not - risk loosing family and friends to follow Jesus into the Catholic Church. That’s good enough for me to give them the benefit of the doubt, to not accuse them of having motives other than loving Jesus.

I’ll recieve the sacrament of reconcilliation and the Holy Eucharist from a former Protestant any day.

-Tim-
 
Heresy is only possible for baptized Catholics. Please stop using the word heresy incorrectly. The Chatholic Church does not view Protestants as heretics, nor is what they teach heresy. The only way to be a heretic or to teach heresy is if you are Catholic first.
Only half-right. The church canonically considers all baptised Christians subject to the Church.

What they teach is still heresy. It’s just that they are not culpable for their heresies. And canon law does NOT agree with you.

Can. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.

Not that it’s after the reception of Baptism - and protestant baptism is valid. (Well, at least usually.)

The issue is one of ecumenism - it is discouraged to use the term heretic for the protestants, not because they aren’t heretics (they meet the definition), but because so doing is of little use in bringing them to the Church Christ founded.
 
Either all Priests should be permitted to marry (prior to ordination obviously) or NO priests should be permitted to marry. Yes I know the difference, I’m referring to men who marry and seek the Priesthood after. Not men already ordained as Priests who seek to marry (big difference there). But if we allow protestant ministers who were preaching heresy prior to their conversion, and leading people away from Christ and His Truth, if “they” can be married and walk in and get ordained as Catholic Priests, why on earth do we deny our own Roman Catholic laity? God can and does call men to serve both as Priests and as fathers/husbands. But that’s only possible if you first surround yourself with heresy and get married THEN try to join the Catholic Church. I don’t get it. I don’t agree with it. I love my beloved Church and will stand by Her. I just hate seeing protestants get preferential treatment in order to woo their ministers into bringing in whole congregations. Protestants should not be joining our Church because they seek to be Priests. They should be coming here because Christ is here and only here and does not give any authority to man made protestant religions.
This ^^ really doesn’t do justice to the Ordinariate (and before that the Pastoral Provision). Offering Anglican ministers the married priesthood as an “incentive” (if you will) to switch sides wasn’t a decision made lightly, and certainly not without sensitivity to Anglican feelings. Cardinal Kaspar puts it succinctly: “We are not fishing in the Anglican pond.” (Of course, that statement is itself controversial. And after all, the Anglicans – starting with the Episcopalians back in the 1970s – really brought it on themselves, so to speak, by abandoning Christian traditions like the male-only priesthood. In other words, these Anglican-turned-Catholic-priests didn’t so much leave Anglicanism, but rather it first left them.)

Frankly, it sounds to me like your post is only superficially related to the Ordinariate, and more deeply related to your personal feelings toward Anglicans and other protestants.
 
A lot of Catholics today complain about married men not being allowed to be ordained. But if the vow of celibacy is such an issue with them, then why isn’t there a mass migration to the Eastern Rites? Their churches allow married men to become priests AND are still in full communion with Rome.
Canonical transfers are the exception, not the everyday – and I say that in general, not specifically in regard to whether someone believes there should be married priests or not.
 
A lot of Catholics today complain about married men not being allowed to be ordained. But if the vow of celibacy is such an issue with them, then why isn’t there a mass migration to the Eastern Rites? Their churches allow married men to become priests AND are still in full communion with Rome.
Because the majority of Catholics who complain that married men should be ordained also tend to want women to be ordained, which ain’t gonna happen. So they figure why not just stay where they’re comfortable and keep kvetchin’? 😉
 
Why assume that married priesthood is better? It is allowed in the East for practical considerations. Is ‘practical’ better than ‘spiritual’? No! The fact that you can’t get married after ordination proves that ordination is ‘higher’ on the spiritual ladder than marriage.

A married priesthood is an innovation. I challenge anyone to show that there is any tradition for that can show that in the beginning priests were married. The reference in Timothy and Titus to “a husband of one wife” is actually evidence that those epistles are not genuine. In the beginning all the presbytery were unmarried and latter when some of them started to be married it created scandal!
 
Because the majority of Catholics who complain that married men should be ordained also tend to want women to be ordained, which ain’t gonna happen. So they figure why not just stay where they’re comfortable and keep kvetchin’? 😉
[citation needed]
 
Why assume that married priesthood is better? It is allowed in the East for practical considerations. Is ‘practical’ better than ‘spiritual’? No! The fact that you can’t get married after ordination proves that ordination is ‘higher’ on the spiritual ladder than marriage.

A married priesthood is an innovation. I challenge anyone to show that there is any tradition for that can show that in the beginning priests were married. The reference in Timothy and Titus to “a husband of one wife” is actually evidence that those epistles are not genuine. In the beginning all the presbytery were unmarried and latter when some of them started to be married it created scandal!
If anyone gives you “proof” you’ll dismiss it as false as you just did with Paul’s epistle.
It’s like asking: “Tell me X but you can’t tell me X”
 
Why assume that married priesthood is better? It is allowed in the East for practical considerations. Is ‘practical’ better than ‘spiritual’? No! The fact that you can’t get married after ordination proves that ordination is ‘higher’ on the spiritual ladder than marriage.

A married priesthood is an innovation. I challenge anyone to show that there is any tradition for that can show that in the beginning priests were married. The reference in Timothy and Titus to “a husband of one wife” is actually evidence that those epistles are not genuine. In the beginning all the presbytery were unmarried and latter when some of them started to be married it created scandal!
With all due respect to Marcionite Christianity, I think I’ll stick with Catholicism.
 
You need me to provide a citation to back up my personal opinion? :eek:

Citation needed back atcha!! :cool:
I just want this to be proved:
the majority of Catholics who complain that married men should be ordained also tend to want women to be ordained
From what poll or sociological study did you take this?
 
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