No go Countries as a Catholic

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But what if someone loves Mongolia and Mongolian culture and wants to see the country? Does it make sense to restrict where someone chooses to visit simply because there’s a possibility they may not be able to attend a Sunday Mass?
 
No, thats not what that means at all. Here’s How it goes.
  1. See new country
  2. I want to settle new country
  3. Ask Bishop to commission priest to travel with us.
  4. Priest says mass
Good?
 
Look this seems absurd to me that so many would be ok with this.


The first part of this video deals with this very clearly. I dont think Fr.Mike is seriously off beat.

My scenario is essentially just people choosing what they want(Going on a holiday where they knowing fully they cant get to mass), over what God wants? See how this is appearing to me?
 
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That’s not how exploration worked most of the time.

You’re free to have this preference for your own travel—but anyone reading this thread should be assured that your preference is not Church teaching, not reasonable and not reflective of prudential judgment. It should be seen as an eccentric quirk.
 
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While Fr. Schmitz does a fine job explaining the Holy Day of obligstion, he specifically states why it’s a mortal sin to intentionally miss Mass. Vacation or traveling to places where Mass may be unavailable does not fall under intentionally missing Mass.

Here’s another situation I’d like to present: say I wanted to visit a Catholic place where there are no priests available to say Mass. Say… deep in the rainforests of Brazil. Am I not allowed to visit that Catholic community, simply because they don’t have a priest present to offer the sacraments?
 
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Am I not allowed to visit that Catholic community, simply because they don’t have a priest present to offer the sacraments?
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Leave Monday, Return Saturday, Return again on Sunday Evening?
 
CTBcin said:
Vacation or traveling to places where Mass may be unavailable does not fall under intentionally missing Mass.
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Seems to me that this goes against Canon Law 1247. But i’m not a Canon Lawyer.
 
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I think you mean Can. 1248. The full quote is in “the absence of a sacred minister or for another grave cause.”

If I’m somewhere where there are no sacred ministers present, then that seems to follow Can. 1248.
 
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This is my understanding of when I could/should ask for a dispensation.

I go on an annual conference for work. It’s not possible to attend Mass on Saturday because I have a workshop I must attend.

Sunday morning also has a breakfast meeting and another meeting that I want to attend but I won’t be penalized if I don’t. In that situation, if there is no Mass on Sunday evening, I might ask my pastor to dispense me from the obligation to attend Mass so I can attend both meetings.
 
goyim said:
No, thats not what that means at all. Here’s How it goes.
  1. See new country
  2. I want to settle new country
  3. Ask Bishop to commission priest to travel with us.
  4. Priest says mass
Good?
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I’ve met priests who go to PNG, and no it isn’t that easy. Sometimes the paths are blocked, and other times they can’t validly say Mass because for instance the hosts have become corrupt.

People visit PNG to see family, and others go there to carry out different missionary work such as provide healthcare.

We shouldn’t just stop to help our brothers and sisters because we can’t participate in Mass on Sunday.

Unsure if Dr Tim Catena can get to Mass every Sunday, but he does have an impact that would be surely missed if he had stayed in NY.



A great interview: A Conversation With Dr. Tom Catena | CMMB Blog
 
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CTBcin said:
I think you mean Can. 1248. The full quote is in “the absence of a sacred minister or for another grave cause.”

If I’m somewhere where there are no sacred ministers present, then that seems to follow Can. 1248.
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Apologies, yes 1248. My point being, that taking a vacation doesnt seem like it would fall under a “grave cause” for a person to miss the eucharistic celebration.
 
Yes, again this is completely reasonable and makes sense. But it doesn’t fall under the issues which I am concerned about.
 
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CTBcin:
I think you mean Can. 1248. The full quote is in “the absence of a sacred minister or for another grave cause.”

If I’m somewhere where there are no sacred ministers present, then that seems to follow Can. 1248.
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Apologies, yes 1248. My point being, that taking a vacation doesnt seem like it would fall under a “grave cause” for a person to miss the eucharistic celebration.
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Being on holidays where there is no possibility of attending Mass falls under “absence of a sacred minister”. “Other grave cause” is when it IS possible to attend Mass.
 
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Obviously, I know of countries like Saudi Arabia, North Korea and most parts of Mainland China to mention such a few.
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Christians should entirely avoid and use EXTREME CAUTION if they absolutely must travel to: Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, and Qatar.

Christians, specifically American or Western Christians, should use definite caution and be very careful when traveling to: China, Russia, Pakistan, Libya, Egypt, Malaysia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, and Oman.

Personally, I would entirely avoid any and all of these countries.
 
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Lol okay folks, I’m finna Ask my Priest about this. His Doctorate in Moral Theology should suffice. If not, I know some good canon lawyers. This is annoying me now so I need to get to the bottom of it and hopefuly I will be humbled.
 
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goyim said:
most parts of Mainland China
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I used to frequently have lunch with a few Catholics who would occasionally go on business trips to China. As far as I could tell, they made it to Mass on Sunday. I’m not sure which part of China they were in, though.

One guy also went to a Middle Eastern country (I think UAE) where he had to travel outside the main city to find Mass. When he got there, everyone at Mass was someone who had immigrated from the Philippines, and the Mass was conducted in their language.
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Saudi Arabia, North Korea
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I think not going should be done less for reasons of missing Mass and more for reasons of safety. Going to certain countries is just unwise.
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United Arab Emirates
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While I’ve only flown through Dubai and haven’t actually stayed, I do know someone from Dubai. From the sounds of it, things are a bit more relaxed there, due to the very touristy nature of the city. You are still expected to respect Islam and people’s sensitivities, but it also isn’t like stepping into most places in the Middle East.
 
Yes, they should be able to explain things much better than we could.
 
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