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How come there is no information on this web site’s “Library:Sacraments” on the other Sacrament of Exorcism?

It’s the only sacrament not there? why?

I think it would be good to have apologetics resources on the site for that sacrament which is a hot debating point of specifically Catholic belief(Protestants believe in exorcism too, but nothing like the Catholic belief at all).
 
I am not sure I would call it a sacrament, but if you want information the best source I can give you is Fr. Gabe Amotrh’s book “An Exorcist tells his Story.” He also has a new book out that I must buy.

Very good Christian reading. I really recomend it.
 
There is apparent confusion between sacrament and sacramental here.

Exorcism is a sacramental and not a Sacrament.

I could not speculate why this is not a library topic, but it seems to be a prudent omission in one sense.

Because of its nature and relative rarity, any detailed discussion of solemn exorcism, i.e., the expulsion of an evil spirit possessing and directing the faculties of a human person, does not lend itself to a general audience, but tends to be confined to those who have been authorized as canon 1172 provides, “§1. No one can legitimately perform exorcisms over the possessed unless he has obtained special and express permission from the local ordinary. §2. Such permission from the local ordinary is to be granted only to a presbyter endowed with piety, knowledge, prudence and integrity of life.”

Even then, great prudence and caution attends those discussions, since they can themselves be burdensome and oppressive for the Christian faithful. While it would be folly to pretend the devil and possession do not exist, it can be hazardous to overly discuss those issues if one is not involved in the matter. In my opinion, it is most important to know that the Rite for Exorcism exists, the power of Christ is ministered through his Church, and that suspicions must be directed to the local ordinary, usually the diocesan bishop.

There are simple exorcisms in the Rite of Christian initiation for adults and the baptism of infants. These are rather straightforward prayers for God to protect the baptizandus from the powers of evil.
 
thechrismyster said:
ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2SEVEN.HTM

the seven sacraments are:
  • Baptism
  • Confirmation
  • Holy Eucharist
  • Penance
  • Anointing of the Sick
  • Holy Orders
  • Matrimony
    an Exorcism is simply a prescribed prayer of deliverance from evil.
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Your right, I just consulted my CCC and it’s actually a Sacramental, similar wording got me confused.

I still can’t find any concise information on the site, it only seems to be in archived articles of This Rock. I think there needs to be a concise defense of it in the Library section.
 
cameron_lansing said:
There is apparent confusion between sacrament and sacramental here.

Exorcism is a sacramental and not a Sacrament.

I could not speculate why this is not a library topic, but it seems to be a prudent omission in one sense.

Because of its nature and relative rarity, any detailed discussion of solemn exorcism, i.e., the expulsion of an evil spirit possessing and directing the faculties of a human person, does not lend itself to a general audience, but tends to be confined to those who have been authorized as canon 1172 provides, “§1. No one can legitimately perform exorcisms over the possessed unless he has obtained special and express permission from the local ordinary. §2. Such permission from the local ordinary is to be granted only to a presbyter endowed with piety, knowledge, prudence and integrity of life.”

Even then, great prudence and caution attends those discussions, since they can themselves be burdensome and oppressive for the Christian faithful. While it would be folly to pretend the devil and possession do not exist, it can be hazardous to overly discuss those issues if one is not involved in the matter. In my opinion, it is most important to know that the Rite for Exorcism exists, the power of Christ is ministered through his Church, and that suspicions must be directed to the local ordinary, usually the diocesan bishop.

There are simple exorcisms in the Rite of Christian initiation for adults and the baptism of infants. These are rather straightforward prayers for God to protect the baptizandus from the powers of evil.
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This is less about the relative rarity and more about the correction of false or fantasized representations in Secular or even Catholic media, which have incorrect representations that are propagated as real representations that make the sacramental seem fantastical rather than real. I think you are right, but I also think there needs to be concise information to combat the confusing fantastical. This is not of cause information which goes into the grittiness of it, but rather the simple argumentative defense of it’s existence.

Also there is apologetic representations of it in media already(“The exorcism of Emily Rose” film comes to mind as a rare specifically apologetic work)… I think a concise text document like for the other apoligetacal topics would be good on this site and would allow catholics to respond to protestant objections, without having to get them to read long non-fiction books or watch 2 hour films.
 
colliric said:
How come there is no information on this web site’s “Library:Sacraments” on the other Sacrament of Exorcism?

It’s the only sacrament not there? why?

I think it would be good to have apologetics resources on the site for that sacrament which is a hot debating point of specifically Catholic belief(Protestants believe in exorcism too, but nothing like the Catholic belief at all).
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The Rite of Exorcism is not a sacrament. It is a special ritual performed by a specially appointed priest, but not a sacrament. What makes you think that the beliefs are diffferent between the Protestant and Catholic?
 
colliric said:
How come there is no information on this web site’s “Library:Sacraments” on the other Sacrament of Exorcism?

It’s the only sacrament not there? why?

I think it would be good to have apologetics resources on the site for that sacrament which is a hot debating point of specifically Catholic belief(Protestants believe in exorcism too, but nothing like the Catholic belief at all).
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It’s the Rite of Exorcism, not the Sacrament of Exorcism.
 
Br.Rich_SFO said:
It’s the Rite of Exorcism, not the Sacrament of Exorcism.
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Guys I’ve already explained my mistake. The information on this web site on this Sacramental(Notice the difference?) is still lacking. There is no apologetical resource on the site except when one goes searching through This Rock. I think for such a big topic, we need more concise apologetics information in the library section.
 
guanophore said:
The Rite of Exorcism is not a sacrament. It is a special ritual performed by a specially appointed priest, but not a sacrament. What makes you think that the beliefs are diffferent between the Protestant and Catholic?
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I think protestants seem to accept a lower less powerful version of the Sacramental in that they, at least the pentacostals, exorcise to an extent at every service they hold.

Maby I’m just watching too much Benny Hinn, but they seem to exorcise everyone who comes forward.

It doesn’t seem to me that they, because they don’t accept the church’s teaching, accept the RCC version of it, which is only done at Baptism(in a lighter sense) and as a Sacramental only and only when the RCC and the Priest performing it has established it is not Psychological problems.

I think their exorcisms are effective because as Jesus said about the man who was exorcising demons in his name, so long as it’s in the name of Jesus it will be sucessfull. But it’s almost as if they don’t accept there is deeper more scary stages of it than the simple ones they perform every few days.
 
Your clarification is helpful. Perhaps you have a made a convincing case to the administrators of the forum. Have you approached them with your rationale?
 
colliric said:
The information on this web site on this Sacramental(Notice the difference?) is still lacking. There is no apologetical resource on the site except when one goes searching through This Rock. I think for such a big topic, we need more concise apologetics information in the library section.
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So ask us questions. Most of us have done extensive reading, and we could probably answer your questions. 🙂
 
This is an area of the church which definitely needs more work. To my knowledge each diocese should have an official excorcist and in the absence of one, the local bishop serves that role.

In India we have a lot of cases where people indulge in practices that expose them to demonic possesion and the like. Believe me seeing a bad case of possession is one of the most effective methods of instilling (an urgent need for) faith. However, the good news is (and it must be said here) that there is tremendous power in the the Blood of Christ and Eucharistic Lord. Demons flee at the very mention of the name of Christ.

Why do I say this. My uncle is a priest by the name of Fr Rufus Pereira who has been an excorcist for years. He is very active in the Deliverance Ministry. It has been a long time mission of his to re-establish the need for an official excorcist in our dioceses.

Interesting Link:
holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/rufuspereira/ledbythespirit/54.asp
(for those who may be interested in his teachings)

sspxasia.com/Newsletters/2003/Jul-Dec/Hinduism_at_a_Glance.htm
 
Google is a beautiful thing. I found some more information which you might find useful.

christianhealingmin.org/newsletter/2002/healingnews2002.htm

myweb.tiscali.co.uk/renewaluk/gn0209/g0209rp.htm

You may want to latch on to one very important aspect of Deliverance. It is a ministry of compassion for the afflicted, more than a ministry of power against the oppressing spirits. This is mentioned in the first link but has been mentioned many times by Fr Rufus during his talks.

Sincerely in Christ.
 
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